From: seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid   
      
   On 2025-07-06 00:36:51 +0000, Waldek Hebisch said:   
      
   > You mention Wine, but do you know what you are talking about?  At the   
   > start Wine project had idea similar to yours: write loader for Windows   
   > binaries, redirect system library calls to equivalent Linux   
   > system/library calls and call it done.  The loader part   
   > went smoothly, but they relatively quickly (in around 2 years)   
   > discoverd that devil is in emulating Windows libraries.  Initial idea   
   > of redirecting...   
      
   Some folks are seemingly unfamiliar with OpenVMS and OpenVMS apps, and   
   apparently also seemingly unfamiliar with Linux, and with a fondness   
   for unworkable suggestions.  Not that I too don't have a fondness for   
   unworkable suggestions.   
      
   What you've posted has been highlighted before. As has porting VAX/VMS   
   to the Mach kernel, which actually happened. (Hi, Chris!) It also   
   doesn't appreciably move the operating system work forward. Ports   
   ~never do.   
      
   And there is a vendor that already provides custom solutions based on   
   porting parts of the APIs to another platform, with Sector7. What   
   Sector7 offers very much parallels Proton and Wine, too. But unlike VSI   
   and Sector7, there are a whole lot more users of each of those   
   candidate apps than the often-one-off apps found on OpenVMS.  That   
   disparity increases the effort involved for each app, and for the users   
   of that app.   
      
   And at the end of all that work, what's left? Outsourcing third-party   
   OpenVMS app support to VSI, on a compatibility API? They can offer that   
   now, and without creating Proton  and Wine.   
      
   > Given 40+ developement team (this seem to correspond to publicaly   
   > available information about VSI) and considering 10kloc/year developer   
   > productivity...   
   > ...What went wrong?  Clearly VSI hit some difficulties...   
      
   40 or 50 engineers is far too small for a project of the scale and   
   scope of a feature-competitive operating system.  For a competitive   
   platform, I'd be looking to build (slowly) to 2000, andquite possibly   
   more. But that takes revenues and reinvestments.   
      
   As an example of scale and scope that ties back to Valve and their   
   efforts with Wine and Proton and Steam Deck and other functions, Valve   
   may well presently have as many job openings as VSI has engineers:   
   https://www.glassdoor.com/Jobs/Valve-Corporation-Jobs-E24849.htm   
   https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/   
      
      
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