From: ldo@nz.invalid   
      
   On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 20:26:46 -0400, Arne Vajhøj wrote:   
      
   > You have misunderstood what an ORM provide.   
   >   
   > You need to define your object model.   
   >   
   > You need to specify logical what queries or updates you want to do.   
   >   
   > What the ORM does (as the name implies!) is to handle the mapping   
   > between the object model and the SQL statements.   
   >   
   > You give it a query and it translate that into one or more SELECT   
   > statements, read the result and stuff it into the object model.   
   >   
   > You tell it to persist an object and it translate that into one or more   
   > INSERT statements.   
   >   
   > For complex object models having that stuff done automatically save a   
   > ton of code.   
   >   
   > It is cutting 50-75% of the database access code. And most business   
   > applications has a lot of database access code.   
      
   The trouble is, SQL is already a very concise language. So the idea that   
   you can add some kind of ORM to, say, Java, a language not known for its   
   conciseness, in order to save code overall, is just absurd.   
      
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