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   =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=C3=B8j?= to Dan Cross   
   Re: Staying on OpenVMS or Migrating to L   
   05 Sep 25 14:20:47   
   
   From: arne@vajhoej.dk   
      
   On 9/5/2025 10:51 AM, Dan Cross wrote:   
   > In article <109eob0$2ejin$1@dont-email.me>,   
   > Arne Vajhøj   wrote:   
   >> On 9/5/2025 9:11 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:   
   >>> On 2025-09-05, Arne Vajhøj  wrote:   
   >>>> On 9/5/2025 7:37 AM, Dan Cross wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Absolutely not.  VSI is a small company with a small revenue   
   >>>>> stream and a small (and ultimately decreasing) number of   
   >>>>> customers.  This is qualitatively and quantitatively different   
   >>>>> than a large organization with a large and diverse revenue   
   >>>>> stream spread across many customers.  The VMS market is not   
   >>>>> growing; we have no idea how diverse the existing customer   
   >>>>> portfolio is.  To assert that the risk profile is the same as   
   >>>>> "most other companies" is simply untrue.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I think this is exactly what Dave was talking about.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Very generic, "something could happen", lots of   
   >>>> handwaving.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Instead of looking at specifics, what risks there are   
   >>>> and whether VSI management can handle those if they   
   >>>> materialize.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Given that those topics are already covered in detail   
   >>>> in the thread then the generic something could happen   
   >>>> is indeed FUD.   
   >>>   
   >>> You have completely and utterly missed the point Arne.   
   >>>   
   >>> It doesn't matter what you think. It doesn't matter what Dave thinks.   
   >>> It doesn't matter what I think.   
   >>>   
   >>> The only thing that matters is what the manager making the decision   
   >>> thinks, what their perceived model of reality is when it comes to   
   >>> VSI versus the alternatives, and which decision is less likely to   
   >>> cause them problems later down the road.   
   >>>   
   >>> They are not emotionally involved with VMS, but they do have to   
   >>> make a decision about which path they take that they perceive as less   
   >>> risky to them and the company they work for.   
   >>>   
   >>> You talk above about VSI management handling/addressing risks if they   
   >>> materialise at some point in the future. By that point, it's way too   
   >>> late. VSI should be proactively finding ways to make the VSI option   
   >>> appear to be the less risky option and building a pre-emptive model   
   >>> of comfort around the VSI option in the minds of the decision makers.   
   >>>   
   >>> The risk, as perceived by the people making a decision, is going to be   
   >>> a dominant factor in the decision that an emotionally detached manager   
   >>> is going to make.   
   >>   
   >> That makes it even easier.   
   >>   
   >> Those making such decisions actually know about how to deal with risk.   
   >>   
   >> No hand waving and the sky is falling down.   
   >>   
   >> Analysis. What are the facts. What could happen. What could they   
   >> do if it happens. Would that be sufficient.   
   >>   
   >> And VMS is not in bad shape risk wise. Short and mid term.   
   >   
   > I don't think anyone is arguing that in the short (and possibly)   
   > middle term there is a significant risk.  But you yourself   
   > acknowledged that the risks in the long term are there.   
   >   
   > No one is running around suggesting the sky is falling.  What   
   > Simon (and I) are saying is that, for VMS to be considered a   
   > viable long-term option, and not something to be migrated away   
   > from in the next 5-10 or 15 years, these issues need to be   
   > addressed.   
      
   Long term in IT regarding target technology is highly   
   uncertain.   
      
   There is definitely a risk for VMS in the 20+ years   
   time horizon.   
      
   But it does not really matter.   
      
   Nobody start a migration now due to a risk that far out. They   
   will have a significant risk of having to do multiple migrations   
   because they those the wrong migration the first time.   
      
   They have a decade to see where the IT world is going and   
   how it goes with VSI and VMS.   
      
   Arne   
      
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