From: arne@vajhoej.dk   
      
   On 10/11/2025 7:39 AM, Dan Cross wrote:   
   > In article ,   
   > John Dallman  wrote:   
   >> In article <10can8q$dop$1@reader2.panix.com>,   
   >> cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> I don't think [Oracle] were ever interested in Sun's earlier,   
   >>> traditional markets: workstations and so forth were uninteresting.   
   >>   
   >> By the time of the takeover, Sun wasn't very interested in SPARC   
   >> workstations, because their market share was close to zero. x86-64   
   >> Windows and Linux had demolished all the traditional Unix workstations by   
   >> then. The Sun server business was still going, but loosing money pretty   
   >> fast.   
   >   
   > Oh totally.  Sun was a shell of its former self by then.  Oracle   
   > didn't care; everything was done through a web browser anyway.   
   >   
   > I'd argue that Sun more or less abandoned the workstation market   
   > when they switched to SVR4 and away from BSD with the move to   
   > Solaris from SunOS 4.  I think also the focus shifted   
   > dramatically once Java came onto the scene; Sun seemed to move   
   > away from its traditional computer business in order to focus   
   > more full on java and its ecosystem.   
      
   Sun did not make money on Java and did not even have potential   
   for making money on Java.   
      
   There was not much money in Java SE. The money was in Java EE.   
      
   Sun's Java EE products sucked big time.   
      
   So it was IBM, BEA (acquired by Oracle in 2008), JBoss (acquired   
   by Redhat in 2006), Oracle, SAP etc. that made all the money   
   on Java.   
      
   Arne   
      
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