From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP   
      
   On 2025-10-29, Dennis Boone  wrote:   
   > > It seems being a very good technical effort. So perhaps some investment.   
   > > I cannot understand the (business) goal. But it seems investement is   
   > > possible - but not for bare metal :( -.   
      
   The (potential) business goal is obvious if you have wide enough viewpoint   
   and not just a VMS-specific viewpoint.   
      
   >   
   > > It seems to be funny to use. But I don't see for whom this effort is   
   > > done - apart hobbyies enthousiasts -.   
      
   Actually, this kind of approach seems a perfectly normal option if you   
   have any knowledge of embedded systems development. The main difference   
   is that you are developing applications to run on top of that embedded   
   system instead of pushing a system image via a JTAG port (for example).   
      
   I've long thought VMS systems should be considered as some kind of   
   a higher-level embedded system where applications are developed locally   
   and then packaged up and pushed onto the target VMS system. It looks   
   like VSI are moving in that same direction as well.   
      
   And VSI would not be putting the effort into this unless customers   
   had indicated interest for such an approach.   
      
   This is exactly the kind of thing that VSI should be doing. Well done   
   to them for actively exploring this approach.   
      
   >   
   > This sort of thing seems to have worked pretty well for IBM and   
   > development for z/OS.  It seems that even developers for such   
   > non-mainstream environments still want modern creature comforts.   
   >   
      
   This is the exact example I was going to use until you beat me to it. :-)   
      
   When was the last time a 3270 class terminal for serious z/OS software   
   development was acceptable to developers as the only development option ?   
      
   And it's not just about creature comforts; it's about been able to do   
   things more efficiently and quickly than is possible on the target   
   system itself.   
      
   Simon.   
      
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   Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP   
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