From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP   
      
   On 2025-10-30, gcalliet  wrote:   
   > Le 29/10/2025 à 19:48, Simon Clubley a écrit :   
   >> The (potential) business goal is obvious if you have wide enough viewpoint   
   >> and not just a VMS-specific viewpoint   
   >   
   > It's the point, Simon. And somehow Chris says the same thing comparing   
   > development for VMS and for z/os.   
   >   
   > And again, if we agree on your opinion viewing VMS as some rich embedded   
   > OS, again VMS/XDE is worth it.   
   >   
   > And again and again, my view is and has always been VMS-specific. VMS as   
   > a specific general OS, indeed.   
   >   
      
   You keep thinking about the world as it was 20 to 30 years ago, not how   
   it is today. If VMS is to have any part in today's world, it needs to be   
   in terms of how the world is today, not a quarter of a century ago.   
      
   > It seems now, because the strategy used by VSI or its investor has been   
   > for ten years a strategy copied on strategies for legacies OS (like   
   > z/os...), the option of a VMS revival as an alternate OS solution is   
   > almost dead.   
   >   
      
   z/OS is responsible for keeping a good portion of today's world running.   
   I would hardly call that a legacy OS.   
      
   > And so VMS/XDE is a good way making business for five or six years   
   > before the real death of VMS. (Because in my opinion, there is no future   
   > for an embedded VMS : not its real market, not competitive in the   
   > embedded market).   
   >   
      
   Embedded refers to the development method, not the target market.   
   Giving people the development tools they are asking for extends the   
   life of VMS instead of reducing it.   
      
   How many people still develop for z/OS directly on a 3270 class terminal   
   instead of from a local PC ?   
      
   Simon.   
      
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