From: gerard.calliet@pia-sofer.fr   
      
   Le 30/10/2025 à 14:12, Simon Clubley a écrit :   
   > On 2025-10-30, gcalliet  wrote:   
   >> Le 29/10/2025 à 19:48, Simon Clubley a écrit :   
   >>> The (potential) business goal is obvious if you have wide enough viewpoint   
   >>> and not just a VMS-specific viewpoint   
   >>   
   >> It's the point, Simon. And somehow Chris says the same thing comparing   
   >> development for VMS and for z/os.   
   >>   
   >> And again, if we agree on your opinion viewing VMS as some rich embedded   
   >> OS, again VMS/XDE is worth it.   
   >>   
   >> And again and again, my view is and has always been VMS-specific. VMS as   
   >> a specific general OS, indeed.   
   >>   
   >   
   > You keep thinking about the world as it was 20 to 30 years ago, not how   
   > it is today. If VMS is to have any part in today's world, it needs to be   
   > in terms of how the world is today, not a quarter of a century ago.   
      
   I understand your way of thinking. But on my side I'm not thinking about   
   today, but about tomorow.   
      
   In 2013 I would not have engaged for VMS if I haven't thought about a   
   large future for VMS. I thought, as today, about the future.   
      
   On my side I do think the issues of sustainability, sober energy   
   consomption, reusability, wil be very important. And it was because of   
   the very large past of VMS, its sustainability qualities (think about   
   backward compatibility, for example, some intrinsik LTS) that I thought   
   about a very large future for VMS.   
      
   VMS could had be a new way of thinking about legacies. I wrote someting   
   about that on a linkedIn VMS group about VMS, and my publication has   
   been made fixed. So I think I'm not lonely thinking VMS specific   
   qualities could open another way of working with legacies. Summary ( :)   
   ): the next century quarter opened thanks to the previous century quarter.   
      
   But the way VSI acted for VMS seems to be a very classic way of working   
   for legacies. A centralized offer getting the last possible energies   
   giving palliative cares. The important number of sites abandoning VMS is   
   a sign the strategy is not so good. And the way it has been impossible   
   to integer real open source work makes impossible getting new   
   enthousiasts for VMS. The cloud offer is like you could think as being   
   with today, but also a way of forgetting (local or multi-local)   
   clustering sustainability. Chasing after today is a losing battle, when   
   we could have invented the other today, linking the past and the future.   
      
   I hope you are right, and that we'll be able to survive like z/os. Even   
   it's difficult resembling IBM while we have been altenative to IBM :).   
      
      
   >   
   >> It seems now, because the strategy used by VSI or its investor has been   
   >> for ten years a strategy copied on strategies for legacies OS (like   
   >> z/os...), the option of a VMS revival as an alternate OS solution is   
   >> almost dead.   
   >>   
   >   
   > z/OS is responsible for keeping a good portion of today's world running.   
   > I would hardly call that a legacy OS.   
   >   
   >> And so VMS/XDE is a good way making business for five or six years   
   >> before the real death of VMS. (Because in my opinion, there is no future   
   >> for an embedded VMS : not its real market, not competitive in the   
   >> embedded market).   
   >>   
   >   
   > Embedded refers to the development method, not the target market.   
   > Giving people the development tools they are asking for extends the   
   > life of VMS instead of reducing it.   
   >   
   > How many people still develop for z/OS directly on a 3270 class terminal   
   > instead of from a local PC ?   
   >   
   > Simon.   
   >   
      
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