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|    Jerry Avins to Le Chaud Lapin    |
|    Re: OT: The Truth About DARPA (1/2)    |
|    29 Jun 09 15:08:33    |
      9ce8f866       XPost: sci.electronics.design, comp.dsp       From: jya@ieee.org              Le Chaud Lapin wrote:       > Hi All,       >       > I am on the downslope of disillusionment regarding the truth of US-       > Government-funded research. I could pick any from a broad array of       > such insitutions and tell you of utterly-perplexing interactions I       > have had with them, but I decided to focus on DARPA, since, as we       > know, they were the original financial supporters of the Internet, it       > is claimed, and I do research with Internet protocols.       >       > I am beginning to think, no matter how truthful the claim of support       > is, it was probably more luck than anything. Bob Kahn et al probably       > squeeze out a solution by the Grace of God, and others beyond him had       > to fight massive intransigence and political battles to help IPv4       > survive. I say this after experiences over the last 5.5 months       > interacting with them and other US agencies. They claim to want       > breakthrough technology that is "high-impact", "revolutionary",       > "moderate-to-high risk". And they spend enormous amounts of money       > supposedly funding such research each year. They issue solicitations       > on the the SBIR/STTR programs. They have Broad Agency Announcements.       > They accept unsolicitied proposals. They employ Ph.d's whose bio's       > indicate deep experience in their respective areas of governance. And       > they have those cool demos on the Military Channel.       >       > Looking at all this, you would think that, if they had been searching       > for the solution to X for 15 years, and someone came to them and       > offered tangile proof of S, T, U, V, W, X, Y, Z, they would be       > enthralled.       >       > NOT!!!!       >       > It is a bit hard to explain the experience, in mere words, so I have       > created this fictitious dialogue which is similar to the kind I have       > had.       >       > Researcher: "Hello?"       >       > DARPA: "Hi, yes, I am here."       >       > Researcher: "Hi, I was told to contact you regarding research I have       > been doing for 15 years. I am aware of your SBIR/STTR, BAA's,       > etc...but I am contacting you directly to preempt problems that might       > occur if I follow those paths."       >       > DARPA: "Ok, I am listening."       >       > Researcher: "I noticed that much of your research involves getting       > away from steam engines. For example, you have 7 outstanding       > solicitations on alternative to steam alone, not to mention 11 others       > on reducing rust ."       >       > DARPA: "Yes, that's true."       >       > Researcher: "What if I told you that I had a machine that not only       > solved that rust problem you have with the steam, etc., but also       > validated your current push toward petrol-based fuel, in an engine       > that actually runs. I call it an internal combustion engine."       >       > DARPA: "Uh...not sure what you mean. This is a research organization,       > you do realize?"       >       > Researcher: "Yes, I know. I do research in engines, the same kind you       > do and write about each year. Now I know that you have spent $ 225US       > million in this area already, and...uh...you do not yet have what it       > is you want. I would like to have the opportunity to give you those       > things, plus a few extra, like something I call a fuel injector. Then       > there are oxygen sensors, overhead-cam, etc."       >       > DARPA: "Overhead what? You realize..we are are under a a federal       > mandate to do fundamental research only?"       >       > Researcher: "Yes."       >       > DARPA: "We do research in advanced engine systems."       >       > Researcher: "Yes."       >       > DARPA: "And my group does research, in particular, in non-steam       > engines that should provide advanced capabilities in the next 15-20       > years for the warfighter..."       >       > Researcher: "Yes, I know."       >       > DARPA: "So how can I help you?"       >       > Researcher: "Well, I would like to demonstrate to you solutions to       > some of the problems you have."       >       > DARPA: "Have you seen our web site? Why don't you go and read our       > solicitations...they are located at WWW-DOT..."       >       > Researcher: "Yes, yes, I have read them, all of them, several times       > each."       >       > (Researcher pauses for a moment, goes to web page of Program Manager       > he is talking to, reads his bio, discovers that PM did Ph.D on       > governors in steam engine. Presumes that if research can speak       > intelligently about governors for 2-3 minutes, that will break the       > current impasse and mental disconnect)       >       > Researcher: "I was just reading your bio. I see you did your Ph.D. on       > governors. Was that challenging?"       >       > DARPA:: "Yes, quite challenging."       >       > Researcher: "You must have had problems achieving correct control loop       > with the analog components you had."       >       > (dialogue continues, Researcher eventually convinces PM of merit of       > electronic control of feedback, etc, and that Researcher is at least       > experienced with fundamentals of feedback.)       >       > Researcher: "So you can see that, if you had not only that, but other       > fixes, including a fuel that can actually be extracted from petrol       > which I call 'gasoline', that could be of some benefit to your       > research efforts."       >       > DARPA: "Look, it's obivous that you have a lot of interest in this       > area, but I am not sure you have reached the right organization. We do       > fundamental research here. Maybe you could sell your product to a       > steam engine company. We actually have a few of them on contract now.       > We also have SBIR, STTR, and unsolicited proposals. Have you tried       > SBIR?"       >       > Researcher: "Well, not yet. I noticed that your SBIR solicitations       > focus on a relatively small problem, like an improved ventilator, or       > wood pulverizers, etc. There does not seem to be anything for an       > entire engine. My worry is that..if I were to write about an entire       > engine, there might be a bit of conceptual disconnect with the PM       > managing the solicitation...as the program managers are expecting       > proposals for narrowly focused problems.."       >       > DARPA: "Well, I don't know what to tell you. These are the programs       > we have available. If you had something that addressed and immediate       > need of ours, then perhaps there would be something I could do, but       > nothing you have said so far has convinced me of that."       >       > Researcher: "Allow me to approach this from a different angle, if you       > will. I am reading here, this article in Big Bad Important Defense       > Industry Magazine. There is a Navy Admiral claiming that the greatest       > advance in military technology would be a not-yet-explored type of       > engine, perhaps running on fuel that 'derives from oil', and that       > $5.6US billion is being allocated over next 10 years to DARPA to       > pursue this technology. So I guess I am saying that, I can help you       > achieve that, if you will allow me a chance."       >       > DARPA: (impatiently) "What is it exactly that you want?"       >       > Researcher: "I would like the opportunity to demonstrate to you, the       > vision in that article realized, in a rough form, rough because I do       > not have the luxury to get all the components perfect, but certainly       > enough to move forward to a more thorough review. It actually              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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