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   Anthony Lawther to Anthony Ortiz   
   Re: WDC 65C832 design in today's world   
   19 Aug 22 07:21:11   
   
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   From: alawther@spammenot.mac.com   
      
   Anthony Ortiz  wrote:   
   >> To be honest, a 65832 has no more in common with the Apple II than an   
   >> ARM. And having to bastardize the (poorly designed) 65832 just to make   
   >> it somewhat useful leaves a lot of questions as to what you're really   
   >> trying to do and how you'll do it. Not saying you shouldn't, but you're   
   >> suggesting a path that requires much magic to happen vs taking the   
   >> spiritual successor to the 6502 and making a pretty cool environment. 32   
   >> bit GS/OS apps running at 1 GHz, anyone?   
   >   
   > David, I know this reply is years late but better late than never! :P   
   >   
   > Regarding your opposition to a 65832 implementation but liking the idea   
   > of 32-bit GS/OS apps (I like this too! :), what exactly do you have in   
   > mind when you say "taking the spiritual successor to the 6502 and making   
   > a pretty cool environment. 32 bit GS/OS apps" given that the GS is a   
   > 16-bit platform? What kind of enhancements would you make to the 65C816   
   > to make that possible, and wouldn't the 65832 cover that base already or   
   > do I completely misunderstand?   
   >   
      
   What you might be missing is that the original ARM processor was produced   
   to replace the 6502 in BBC Micros. It has been described as the spiritual   
   successor to the 6502. The 65816 is the actual successor.   
      
   So, if I understand correctly, the suggestion was to use an ARM processor   
   (cheap and readily available) to support a 32 bit GS/OS , rather than build   
   a further extension to the 6502 family, incurring development costs (both   
   hardware and software) and then either remaining content with low volumes   
   (and high prices) or engaging in a battle to push into a space already   
   occupied by the x86 and ARM ‘gorillas’. Even the ARM processors available   
   back when this discussion was conducted had enough power to emulate a 6502   
   and maybe even a 65816, but one could also have a system with both, similar   
   to those machines with Z80 cards.   
      
   WDC seem to do sufficiently well continuing to sell 6502 and 65816 chips   
   and cores for embedded systems that they haven’t seen the benefit in   
   pursuing the 65832 concept.   
      
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