From: inexorabletash@gmail.com   
      
   On Monday, October 16, 2023 at 5:35:53 PM UTC-7, Michael Woodley wrote:   
   > I have Commodore 64 disks 7, 11, and Japan still in he shrink wrap. I once   
   had a copy of every disk.    
   >    
   > I am "Dr Scenery" from subLOGIC.    
   >    
   > Mike Woodley   
      
   Hey Michael! Thank you so much for popping in. I was a big fan of SubLOGIC   
   back in the day, doing my best to fly (and sometimes successfully land) in FS2   
   and JET on my Apple II, and I remember your name well from the couple of   
   scenery disks I could    
   afford as a teenager.   
      
   Since then I’ve tried to collect all of the Apple II scenery disks and   
   research more about them and some of the SubLOGIC ephemera. If you know the   
   answers to any of these questions, or have further leads to share, I’d   
   greatly appreciate anything you    
   can remember from the 1980s…   
      
   (1) Was Scenery Disk 12 released as a stand-alone product, on any platform?    
      
   From my research, the Apple II saw A2-SD #1-6, 7 and 11, plus STAR San   
   Francisco (A2-SDS1) Japan (A2-SD13) and Western Europe (A2-SD14). SD #9 and   
   Hawaii were released for other platforms but not the Apple II. So far as I can   
   tell, SD #8 and #10 never    
   made it out as separate products for any platform before SubLOGIC moved to the   
   updated US East/West “big box” packages. SD #12 is mentioned in the ATP   
   manual: “Scenery Disk #12 incorporates the very latest ATP scenery   
   technologies, and covers the    
   New York, Montreal and Halifax sectional areas in incredible detail. This disk   
   provides the most advanced and spectacular scenery available on any Scenery   
   Disk to date.”   
      
   But I’ve yet to turn up any images of the packaging in online museums or   
   auction listings. I’ve seen an eBay listing for just the 3.5” floppy disk   
   for SD# 12, and the scenery files have been posted online. But maybe you   
   recall if it got a proper    
   release in one of the iconic folders, even if it was at the end of the product   
   line?   
      
   (2) Were you involved in any of the magazine marketing materials?    
      
   I really enjoyed (and collected!) SubLOGIC’s advertising for the scenery,   
   which really told a compelling story in the pages of COMPUTE! and other   
   magazines in the 1980s. “Fly to Florida!”, “Tokyo for $19.95”, and the   
   5-part “Western European    
   Tour” ads culminating in “Find Red Square” all done with glorious 80s   
   color blocking.    
      
   One intriguing addition were the “Flight Notes”, a series of ads that gave   
   updates about the products and sales, which I ate up. They started in 1988 and   
   ran in various magazines with variations depending on the audience (e.g. #7A   
   about Commodore, #   
   7B about Apple II, and #7C generic?). Through modern archives I’ve tracked   
   down as many as I could; I think I’m missing #2C and maybe #3C. I also found   
   a mailer advertising Thunderchopper and featuring #8. But after #8 there’s a   
   gap until #11,    
   which I think is the last. My wild speculation is that SubLOGIC had some   
   budget issues and #9 and #10 never made it out to magazines - I don’t   
   suppose you recall?    
      
   And now an even bigger stretch…   
      
   (3) Did you have anything to do with the “Computer Flight Newsbriefs” ?   
      
   SubLOGIC sent out “New Briefs” as advertising mailers. I’ve managed to   
   track down #1 (March 1987) and #29-#34 (Spring/Summer 1991 - Fall 1993). They   
   talk quite a bit about scenery development, e.g. #31 talks about the updated   
   coordinate system used    
   in “...all Scenery Disks prior to SD#12…” so I thought you might be   
   involved. (And that particular text hints more at the mystery around SD#12).   
   If you were involved - thank you! And do you have any thoughts about the   
   creation of these?   
      
   Regardless - thank you for jumping into this group, providing so much   
   entertainment to us back in the 8-bit days, and for leaving some interesting   
   historical breadcrumbs for us to dig through.    
      
   – Josh   
      
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