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   From: MeanDog@stonewall.Dash   
      
   On Fri, 28 Nov 2025 00:07:39 -0800, Alan  wrote:   
      
   >On 2025-11-27 23:58, Collectivists_Always_Fail wrote:   
   >> On 28 Nov 2025 04:15:32 GMT, Brock McNuggets   
   >>  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Nov 27, 2025 at 6:49:33?PM MST, "chrisv" wrote   
   >>> :   
   >>>   
   >>>> Alan wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> You think this is an important metric?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It was just an example.  I know you're an Apple fanboi, but get over   
   >>>> it.  Even many "poor" people in this country live easy lives and has   
   >>>> luxuries that they dont need.  Anyone who is willing to get off their   
   >>>> asses and works has the ability to live a decent life.  Only an   
   >>>> unreasonable dipshit denies it.   
   >>>   
   >>> Your “example” wasn’t really an example so much as a broad swipe at anyone   
   >>> you’ve decided is lazy, which isn’t an argument. And tossing in “Apple   
   fanboi”   
   >>> doesn’t make the point any stronger.   
   >>>   
   >>> The idea that “anyone who works can live a decent life” just doesn’t match   
   >>> current economic data. Wages at the bottom haven’t kept pace with housing,   
   >>> medical costs, childcare, or transportation for decades. Plenty of people   
   work   
   >>> full time and still struggle. Pointing that out isn’t “unreasonable” — it’s   
   >>> basic reality.   
   >>>   
   >>> If you want to talk policy or economics, great. But pretending that   
   structural   
   >>> issues don’t exist, and that anyone struggling is just lazy, doesn’t get us   
   >>> any closer to an honest discussion.   
   >>   
   >> On the one hand, lefties argue that "po fokes" just don't have   
   >> opportunity to get ahead. On the other hand they argue that many   
   >> illegal immigrants who arrived here with nothing but the clothes on   
   >> their backs and are now paying taxes and contributing the economy.   
   >> __   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience   
   >> are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying   
   >> to make other people obey their demands.   
   >   
   >Straw...   
   >   
   >...man.   
      
   No, leftist hypocracy.   
      
   Over the years, many immigrants, legal and illegal arrived in the USA   
   without a cent and with a non-compliant language. Much of that   
   happened back when there was no minimum wage nor government welfare   
   programs. Many of them suffered from hostility and discrimination, but   
   many of their prodegy are now living in nice three bedroom homes with   
   a nicely filled two car garage.   
      
   The opportunity for success in the USA is so great that people have   
   been flocking to our borders to where we finally had to put a stop to   
   it and send many of them back.   
      
   ...and yet the leftist loony-toons are out in the streets singing and   
   dancing like children's cartoon characters about how awful the USA   
   is....   
   __   
      
      
   People who engage in activities they call "civil disobedience   
   are doing the exact opposite of disobedience. They are trying   
   to make other people obey their demands.   
      
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