XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone   
   From: brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com   
      
   On Dec 7, 2025 at 8:45:11 PM MST, "Marian" wrote   
   <10h5hk8$1er9$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com>:   
      
   >   
   > In another thread, are defending Apple to the death, no matter what, by   
   > arguing endlessly that, to them, MAC addresses are not identifiers.   
      
   > I can't imagine anyone who could say that, who is intelligent.   
   > It takes only a bit of imagination to see how dangerous they are.   
   >   
   > Yet, it became clear to me the Apple trolls can't fathom how they're   
   > dangerous because the Apple trolls fundamentally lack critical imagination.   
   >   
   > For example, they can't even come up with a simple imagination where they   
   > can't fathom that 'hiding' an SSID is different from appending "_nomap".   
   >   
   > It's beyond their imagination that there even "could" be a difference!   
   >  a. Hiding is intended to prevent upload "to" Apple's servers   
   >  b. Opting out is intended to prevent storage "on" Apple's servers   
   >   
   > That simple distinction is completely beyond the wildest imaginations of   
   > Apple trolls, which is a critical flaw that I've recently identified.   
   >   
   > Another example where Apple trolls completely lack the basic skills of   
   > imagination is the scenario of how Apple's WPS database is dangerous.   
   >   
   > They think a BSSID is just a number.   
   > They think it's not a personal identifier.   
   >   
   > But they can't imagine, in their wildest dreams, even this simple scenario:   
   >   
   > 1. A company collects BSSIDs (MACs) from Wi-Fi routers in a city.   
   > 2. Over time, they build a database:   
   >    a. MAC A -> seen at 123 Elm Street in 2022   
   >    b. MAC A -> seen at 456 Oak Avenue in 2023   
   > 3. From this, they infer the household at 123 Elm Street likely   
   >    moved to 456 Oak Avenue.   
   >   
   > Now scale that up: Track migration patterns of entire neighborhoods.   
   > Correlate MACs with census data, property records, or advertising IDs.   
   >   
   > What was just public information becomes a de facto surveillance system,   
   > without meaningful consent from the people being tracked.   
   >   
   > In summary, I found a fundamental flaw in the brains of all Apple trolls.   
   > They lack imagination.   
   >   
   > They can't see anything that isn't black and white.   
   > Nuance in detail, escapes them completely.   
      
   Just read a post where the author basically concludes that anyone defending   
   Apple’s Wi‑Fi handling “to the death” lacks imagination. Their points   
   aren’t   
   entirely wrong: MAC/BSSID addresses can be used to track devices over time,   
   and “hidden SSID” versus “_nomap opt‑out” really do serve different   
   purposes.   
   The migration example — tracking a router from one address to another — is   
   realistic.   
      
   Where they go off the rails is claiming that anyone who disagrees is   
   fundamentally incapable of understanding nuance. That’s a classic   
   overgeneralization: valid tech criticism gets turned into a personality   
   indictment. Basically, they’re smart enough to understand the risks, but   
   their   
   rhetoric is all moral panic and black‑and‑white thinking.   
      
   --   
   It's impossible for someone who is at war with themselves to be at peace with   
   you.   
      
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