XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: pothead@snakebite.com
On 2025-12-12, Alan wrote:
> On 2025-12-12 08:36, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>> On 12/12/25 1:03 AM, Alan wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you even understand that EVERY company charges
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever it thinks the traffic will bear?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why is 256 GB such a prominent option? Apple is just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chintzy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So people who need less storage SHOULDN'T be allowed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choose it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Again: you're making a mountain out of a mole hill.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not remotely. In 2021, I built my new PC with a 1 TB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NVMe drive. Apple still wants to sell you 256 GB, today.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You still have this ridiculous idea that:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What works for YOU...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...must be what works for EVERYONE.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know why I bought a 1 TB NVMe drive? Because the old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer was upgraded from 1 TB SATA hard drive to SATA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SSD. 1 TB was the gold standard. Let's say we could make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that 512 GB. Why does it have to be 256, with Apple, *now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in 2025*?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because there are people who really don't need more.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have quite a few clients, friends and family who will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> never fill a 256GB drive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So that's good enough, for you, that some people can be good
>>>>>>>>>>>> with 256, so Apple's just offering a good choice in that
>>>>>>>>>>>> model. Inclusive to itself that is a good argument but it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> lost when you see what the alternative really is, to not buy
>>>>>>>>>>>> from freakin' Apple, and get the 512 GB or 1 TB, get the 32
>>>>>>>>>>>> GB RAM, get the price one is entitled to get and not Apple's
>>>>>>>>>>>> extortion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No one is forcing anyone to buy Apple's products, child.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are, though, the cult will accept the extortion.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Once again, you imagine that people who don't agree with you
>>>>>>>>> can't be rational.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have been extorted of your money by Apple by buying a Mac or
>>>>>>>> iPhone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simply, unequivocally bullshit you're spouting there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you buy the minimum model, you get a very basic device. It's
>>>>>> still not cheap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which doesn't make it "extortion", does it?
>>>>
>>>> Pretty much does.
>>>
>>> You need to buy a dictionary.
>>
>>
>> "I want Apple." "You will pay handsomely." "OK, cool, Steve Jobs, here's
>> $1400, I have to have a MacBook Pro!"
>>
>>
>> It's that "I have to have Apple" mentality that fucks everything up,
>> they can turn it into a big game.
>
> Even if all that were true (it's not)...
>
> ...it still isn't "EXTORTION".
>
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Samsung PCs are one thing. But even Apple's Mac mini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has the pricey upgrades of specs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're the one who touted how "grateful" you were to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Samsung user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And now you want to run away!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wouldn't buy a Samsung laptop. But I would a Samsung
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And now you pivot away from your claim of how wonderful
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Samsung is!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Samsung is wonderful for the products I've bought from it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple offers me nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're the one who decided to die on the hill of Samsung
>>>>>>>>>>>>> being better than Apple on the implied idea that they were
>>>>>>>>>>>>> less expensive for such upgrades.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't blame me that you didn't have the wit to check if the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual facts matched your attempted brag.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Samsung is better than Apple, yes, though I shy away from
>>>>>>>>>>>> lambasting you personally with the matter, because you are a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mac user.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They're certainly no better in the one area you were implying
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple was so bad at:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The price of upgrading from 512GB to 1TB.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It shouldn't be hundreds upon hundreds, of dollars.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But it is...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...75% MORE expensive from Samsung...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...the company you CHOSE to compare Apple against.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What I see on samsung.com tells me that proprietary devices are
>>>>>>>> prohibitively expensive. Which of the two companies has a walled
>>>>>>>> garden, though?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Drag those goalposts!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you imply that Apple charged more for such upgrades than
>>>>>>> Samsung does?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes or no.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The point is, I have my Galaxy S21 that does everything a phone
>>>>>> does, but I still have sanity in my personal computer.
>>>>
>>>>> Your point WAS that (supposedly) Apple was being horrible for
>>>>> charging $200 to upgrade from 512GB to 1TB...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...and that you suggested Samsung wouldn't do that.
>>>>>
>>>>> ...and it turned out that Samsung was charging $350 for the same
>>>>> upgrade.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're putting it wrong, it's $400 to go from 256 GB to 1 TB, which
>>>> is the real assault on the credit line of a potential buyer, Apple is
>>>> only a little expensive if you're good at 256 GB, but you better pay
>>>> through the nose if you want features.
>>>
>>> So you want to drag the goalposts some more!
>>>
>>> I used YOUR numbers and YOUR chosen alternative...
>>>
>>> ...and you were WRONG.
>>
>>
>> The point is, when one is assembling a system, the size of the SSD can
>> be literally anything, it's just a part, Apple is a bunch of show-off
>> corporate "I can afford this, I'm affluent" bullshit.
> "When one is assembling a system".
>
> Most people don't want to do that.
These days it almost doesn't even pay anymore.
The main advantage is to customize the PC to fit the intended use
and use higher quality parts as required.
So for example a hardcore gamer will want plenty of memory, a high
end graphics card and maybe extra cooling in the case.
Things an average home use probably doesn't need.
It's not that PC targeted at these specific types of users are not
available, it's just that they tend to be overpriced.
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