XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: BD@hotmail.co.uk
On 15/12/2025 23:16, -hh wrote:
> On 12/15/25 17:55, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>> On 12/15/25 5:08 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2025-12-13 18:29, pothead wrote:
>>>> On 2025-12-14, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 16:55:03 -0500, -hh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Wish that was the case, because I've lost some Dell laptops from
>>>>>> swollen
>>>>>> batteries at <3 years life: it doesn't do much good to have
>>>>>> upgradable
>>>>>> RAM/SSD designs when the office IT Department then won't even touch
>>>>>> replacing a battery: they just replace the whole kit 'n kaboodle with
>>>>>> new, reimage it to set it up & migrate user data. Ditto for broken
>>>>>> smartphones too.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was happy to see that the refurbished Lenovo T480 laptop I bought
>>>>> allows
>>>>> for cutting off the charging before the battery is completely full and
>>>>> that there is a Linux cli utility to set the charge parameters.
>>>>
>>>> Lenovo is one of the best.
>>>> Indestructable, business grade laptop designed to travel with you
>>>> and keep working despite abuse.
>>>> Make sure to keep the fan free from dust.
>>>> Typical of most laptops.
>>>
>>> And to get that level of quality, you PAY for it.
>>>
>>> And people who pay it don't get accused of being "brainwashed", nor
>>> is Lenovo accused of "extorting" them.
>>
>>
>> If I wanted a laptop, Lenovo would be a good choice, though. Apple
>> would be an expensive choice.
>>
>
> Back in my Thinkpad era, the IBM ones were running close to $3K, and
> Lenovo was $2-2.5K. In today's dollars, that's quite a bit more.
>
> Migrated then to Dell and these were still ballpark $1.5K but they'd die
> every 3 years (if you were lucky), so a lifespan similar to the 'Pads
> was still $3-4K.
>
> Meantime, that Mac laptop that went seven years was $1350 (under $200/
> yr), and last year's replacement for it (APMCX14LLA) was only $1800.
> Bottom line is better lifecycle cost versus their business PC
> equivalents that I've used...
>
> ...vastly better than my second to last Dell, a Latitude 7280 (i7 dual
> core Koby Lake @ 2.8GHz; 16GB RAM & 256GB SSD) which ran ~$1500, but
> lasted less than 3 years before its battery ballooned ($500+/yr).
You hit the nail on the head: upgradeable RAM/SSD designs are
meaningless if the corporate IT Department treats the machine as
disposable. That’s where Apple’s sealed design, while less flexible,
often wins in corporate environments because they simply replace the
whole unit anyway.
If you were buying for yourself, would the upgradeable RAM/SSD still
matter, or do you prefer the integrated, high-performance nature of the
Mac hardware now?
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