XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy   
   From: crude@sausa.ge   
      
   On 2025-12-16 4:59 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   > On 2025-12-16 12:49, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >> On 2025-12-16 2:11 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>> On 2025-12-16 10:03, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>> On 2025-12-16 11:57 a.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>> On 2025-12-16 06:42, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 2025-12-15 9:44 p.m., Alan wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 2025-12-15 17:15, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 2025-12-15 5:54 p.m., -hh wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> What do current benchmarks show you between two comparable   
   >>>>>>>>>> machines at the same price?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Don't know, as I'm not currently in the market for new hardware.   
   >>>>>>>>> What's your current PC do and when was it put into service?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Zephyrus G14 2021 with AMD R9 5900HS CPU and RTX3060 GPU. It's a   
   >>>>>>>> 2021 model. The new 2TB NVMe is a Samsung 990 EVO. The Pro was   
   >>>>>>>> only $10 more but it used more power and I wouldn't have been   
   >>>>>>>> able to use its full speed anyway since my laptop's interface is   
   >>>>>>>> a PCIe 3.0 x4.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> I doubt providing less bang for the buck is part of what the   
   >>>>>>>>>> Apple stockholders want the company to offer. Higher profit   
   >>>>>>>>>> margins, for sure, but not an inevitable backlash from   
   >>>>>>>>>> customers who eventually realize that they're being ripped off.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Apple has been 'pricey' since the Apple ][ shipped 45+ years   
   >>>>>>>>> ago, which suggests a different value paradigm than what you're   
   >>>>>>>>> assuming.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Jobs wanted to give people the impression that their machines   
   >>>>>>>> were premium by charging more. In the end, their machines   
   >>>>>>>> weren't actually capable of anything more than the competition,   
   >>>>>>>> though I believe that the Apple ][ felt more robust than   
   >>>>>>>> machines from Atari and Commodore. Of course, I wasn't old   
   >>>>>>>> enough to even own one at the time, so I'm basing myself on what   
   >>>>>>>> other people have said.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> What?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Complete bullshit you just made up.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> No, it is a well known fact:    
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Sorry, but just because Brittanica claimed it doesn't make it so.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Got a quote?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Sure, let me dig up Steve Jobs's corpse and reanimate him.   
   >>> Interesting...   
   >>>   
   >>> You think that the only way to get a quote of someone's words is to   
   >>> ask him personally.   
   >>>   
   >>> Find someone quoting things he has actually SAID.   
   >>   
   >> Out of curiosity, do you think he said this to the press or to the   
   >> people he worked with. His pricing scheme was in several documentaries   
   >> and was reported to the people creating the documentaries by the   
   >> people who worked for and under him. I would have expected that you   
   >> would have learned this about your god while you were worshiping him.   
   >> Bad zealot, bad.   
   >>   
   >> Atone for your sins.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Out of curiosity, are you at all interested in what he actually said?   
      
   Being born on the same day as Steve Jobs got me interested in the guy.   
   I've seen enough documentaries and read enough articles about him to   
   know what he said and what he was thinking. He indeed wanted his   
   products to be priced more to give the impression that they were luxury   
   items, regardless of whether you want to acknowledge that. It was that   
   kind of thinking which resulted in the Macintosh which cost way more   
   than everything else, offered little to no upgradeability and managed to   
   do a lot less than the competition.   
      
   --   
   CrudeSausage   
   John 14:6   
      
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