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From: recscuba_google@huntzinger.com
On 12/15/25 18:53, Joel W. Crump wrote:
> On 12/15/25 6:16 PM, -hh wrote:
>> On 12/15/25 17:55, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>>> On 12/15/25 5:08 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2025-12-13 18:29, pothead wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-12-14, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 16:55:03 -0500, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wish that was the case, because I've lost some Dell laptops from
>>>>>>> swollen
>>>>>>> batteries at <3 years life: it doesn't do much good to have
>>>>>>> upgradable
>>>>>>> RAM/SSD designs when the office IT Department then won't even touch
>>>>>>> replacing a battery: they just replace the whole kit 'n kaboodle
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> new, reimage it to set it up & migrate user data. Ditto for broken
>>>>>>> smartphones too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was happy to see that the refurbished Lenovo T480 laptop I
>>>>>> bought allows
>>>>>> for cutting off the charging before the battery is completely full
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> that there is a Linux cli utility to set the charge parameters.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lenovo is one of the best.
>>>>> Indestructable, business grade laptop designed to travel with you
>>>>> and keep working despite abuse.
>>>>> Make sure to keep the fan free from dust.
>>>>> Typical of most laptops.
>>>>
>>>> And to get that level of quality, you PAY for it.
>>>>
>>>> And people who pay it don't get accused of being "brainwashed", nor
>>>> is Lenovo accused of "extorting" them.
>>>
>>> If I wanted a laptop, Lenovo would be a good choice, though. Apple
>>> would be an expensive choice.
>>
>> Back in my Thinkpad era, the IBM ones were running close to $3K, and
>> Lenovo was $2-2.5K. In today's dollars, that's quite a bit more.
>>
>> Migrated then to Dell and these were still ballpark $1.5K but they'd
>> die every 3 years (if you were lucky), so a lifespan similar to the
>> 'Pads was still $3-4K.
>>
>> Meantime, that Mac laptop that went seven years was $1350 (under $200/
>> yr), and last year's replacement for it (APMCX14LLA) was only $1800.
>> Bottom line is better lifecycle cost versus their business PC
>> equivalents that I've used...
>>
>> ...vastly better than my second to last Dell, a Latitude 7280 (i7 dual
>> core Koby Lake @ 2.8GHz; 16GB RAM & 256GB SSD) which ran ~$1500, but
>> lasted less than 3 years before its battery ballooned ($500+/yr).
>
>
> Looking at Lenovo's choices of laptops, they are crazy expensive. Not
> necessarily as brazenly extorting as Apple, but bad.
I had a couple of Thinkpads which cost the same or more as my
counterpart Mac laptops.
> Competitive pricing matters, IMO, when I can get by so well with this PC
made in China.
Sure, within the relevant market sphere: one doesn't try to compare the
price of a basic PC to a 'power user' one, just as one wouldn't say that
a motorscooter is cheaper than a bus while ignoring how many people each
can respectively transport.
-hh
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