XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: crude@sausa.ge
On 2025-12-17 10:06 a.m., -hh wrote:
> On 12/15/25 18:53, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>> On 12/15/25 6:16 PM, -hh wrote:
>>> On 12/15/25 17:55, Joel W. Crump wrote:
>>>> On 12/15/25 5:08 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-12-13 18:29, pothead wrote:
>>>>>> On 2025-12-14, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Dec 2025 16:55:03 -0500, -hh wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wish that was the case, because I've lost some Dell laptops from
>>>>>>>> swollen
>>>>>>>> batteries at <3 years life: it doesn't do much good to have
>>>>>>>> upgradable
>>>>>>>> RAM/SSD designs when the office IT Department then won't even touch
>>>>>>>> replacing a battery: they just replace the whole kit 'n kaboodle
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> new, reimage it to set it up & migrate user data. Ditto for broken
>>>>>>>> smartphones too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was happy to see that the refurbished Lenovo T480 laptop I
>>>>>>> bought allows
>>>>>>> for cutting off the charging before the battery is completely
>>>>>>> full and
>>>>>>> that there is a Linux cli utility to set the charge parameters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lenovo is one of the best.
>>>>>> Indestructable, business grade laptop designed to travel with you
>>>>>> and keep working despite abuse.
>>>>>> Make sure to keep the fan free from dust.
>>>>>> Typical of most laptops.
>>>>>
>>>>> And to get that level of quality, you PAY for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> And people who pay it don't get accused of being "brainwashed", nor
>>>>> is Lenovo accused of "extorting" them.
>>>>
>>>> If I wanted a laptop, Lenovo would be a good choice, though. Apple
>>>> would be an expensive choice.
>>>
>>> Back in my Thinkpad era, the IBM ones were running close to $3K, and
>>> Lenovo was $2-2.5K. In today's dollars, that's quite a bit more.
>>>
>>> Migrated then to Dell and these were still ballpark $1.5K but they'd
>>> die every 3 years (if you were lucky), so a lifespan similar to the
>>> 'Pads was still $3-4K.
>>>
>>> Meantime, that Mac laptop that went seven years was $1350 (under
>>> $200/ yr), and last year's replacement for it (APMCX14LLA) was only
>>> $1800. Bottom line is better lifecycle cost versus their business PC
>>> equivalents that I've used...
>>>
>>> ...vastly better than my second to last Dell, a Latitude 7280 (i7
>>> dual core Koby Lake @ 2.8GHz; 16GB RAM & 256GB SSD) which ran ~$1500,
>>> but lasted less than 3 years before its battery ballooned ($500+/yr).
>>
>>
>> Looking at Lenovo's choices of laptops, they are crazy expensive. Not
>> necessarily as brazenly extorting as Apple, but bad.
>
> I had a couple of Thinkpads which cost the same or more as my
> counterpart Mac laptops.
They definitely don't retain their value the way that Macs do though. I
got the 2019 Thinkpad I'm typing this on for $115 plus shipping.
Meanwhile, a Mac from the same year will cost at least triple despite it
no longer receiving updates from the company Alan worships.
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