XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone   
   From: marianjones@helpfulpeople.com   
      
   badgolferman wrote:   
   >> We've always remained civil toward each other.   
   >> So why can't I remain civil with Alan Browne (and, hell, even Chris).   
   >   
   > Because at some point it requires one party to admit being wrong and the   
   > other to forgive.  You and I have gone down that road, but it requires   
   > people to be magnanimous and stop harboring resentments.  Most people   
   > don't acquire those skills, or seemingly view them as being weak.  It   
   > remains to be seen if it will work in this case.   
      
   Yup. In, oh, I don't know, two decades on Usenet, we've always been civil   
   toward each other, even as I've made mistakes (for which I've not only   
   apologized publicly, but also because you've accepted those apologies).   
      
   Likewise on my part, if I've apologized for a mistake I've made in the two   
   decades on Usenet, I also immediately implemented a fix, whether that's to   
   my code or my posts.   
      
   An example is I was scraping indiscriminately for headers, and you got   
   sucked up, which I fixed so that it shouldn't ever happen again (as it has   
   an exclusion list now). You accepted my apology. And I never did it again.   
      
   That's what adults do when they make a mistake.   
      
   Similarly, once I got a decimal place off, which didn't change the results   
   (as the error wasn't in my favor so the fix was in my favor) on Covid   
   deaths of children as reported by the government, which Chris pointed out,   
   and which I openly apologized for (multiple times) as my credibility must   
   be stellar (since I'm a scientist & engineer at heart, and by training).   
      
   Folks like Alan Baker and "Tyrone" (whom I actually think is Alan Browne   
   but I have no proof of that other than the timing of when Tyone came about   
   just as Alan Browne left, and that Tyrone knew my past history well) love   
   to harp on the fact that I didn't trust Jolly Roger when he literally   
   screamed that Apple's iOS could do "something" that Android couldn't do.   
      
   It turned out that there is one thing Apple's iOS can do that no other   
   common consumer operating system does, for which, again, I profusely and   
   very publicly apologized (because, as always, my credibility is stellar).   
      
   I think it's illustrative, actually, that I didn't believe them simply   
   because they've lied so much (e.g., Jolly Roger insists iOS saves the   
   actual IPA when it doesn't and he insists iOS can graph Wi-Fi signal   
   strength for all nearby APs, etc., even though iOS simply can't do that,   
   and Tyrone insists iOS wasn't monolithic prior to the iOS 16 RSRs, and   
   that's simply dead wrong, etc.).   
    *It's a fact iOS devices can't even graph Wi-Fi signal strength over time*   
       
       
      
   They always claim iOS can do things that iOS simply can not do.   
   So I don't believe a word they say.   
      
   Until I prove it to myself.   
   Using actual undisputed facts.   
      
   Hell, I think it hilarious that "Snit" proved a decibel is a Mbps! :)   
    *Snit video purportedly proving that a decibel is a megabitperseconde!*   
       
      
   They love to harp that I didn't believe them, as if they always tell the   
   correct answer, which is kind'a funny when you think about their goals.   
      
   Their goals are simply to defend Apple to the death, no matter what, so, of   
   course, whenever Apple is in they wrong, they will defend her anyway.   
      
   Take this recent case of Apple's highly insecure WPS database where Chris   
   is constantly telling me I'm "wrong" by saying it's "trivial" to query,   
   where I've queried it and yet, Chris is incapable of querying it. So, since   
   he's incapable, he claims I'm wrong for saying it's "trivial", so I had to   
   prove it to him how trivial it is (e.g., I can collect the entire database   
   using my existing code with slight modifications to concatenate).   
      
   I think it's funny, actually, that they had NO IDEA how to prove that iOS   
   was actually using the port it was using. They simply guessed. I proved it.   
      
   And yet, they say I'm "wrong" for not believing that, for once, they were   
   right. Likewise, with Chris who says I'm "wrong" because *he* can't query   
   the Apple WPS database, even as I've provided all the code that I used.   
      
   In summary, I think I've admitted EVERY case I've been wrong in the entire   
   two decades (or so) I've been on Usenet. I have no problem admitting when   
   I'm wrong. The reason I have no problem admitting when/if I'm wrong is   
   because I only care about the correct answer. I'm not here to defend Apple   
   to the death, no matter what. I'm here for the truth alone.   
      
   My ego isn't tied up in whether I'm initially right or wrong, but in this   
   group, my ego is tied to the breadth that I know about Apple products.   
      
   You also I would think.   
   --   
   I am not here for my ego; nor for my amusement; but to teach & learn.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)