XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone   
   From: marianjones@helpfulpeople.com   
      
   Chris wrote:   
   >> I didn't engage with the first two stones you threw today, and I'm not   
   >> going to engage with the personal remarks above as your third stone.   
   >   
   > There have been no stones.   
   >   
   >> My participation here has always been driven by a genuine interest in the   
   >> subject matter   
   >   
   > Problem is your primary subject matter is to find fault in everything   
   > Apple. No matter how small or immaterial.   
   >   
   >> and over the years I've contributed a substantial amount of   
   >> technical detail, explanations, and problem-solving that many others have   
   >> found useful.   
   >   
   > Lol. Not even close. Your beneficial contributions can be counted on the   
   > fingers of one hand...   
   >   
   > ... after that hand had been blown up with a grenade.   
   >   
   >> If you disagree with something specific, I'm always open to discussing the   
   >> facts   
   >   
   > That's the complete opposite of the reality.   
   >   
   >> but I'm not going to follow you into personal attacks   
   >   
   > Apart from "troll", "low IQ" and "stupid". Yeah sure.   
   >   
   >> since I   
   >> genuinely feel that you and Chris own the ability to uplift this newsgroup.   
   >>   
   >> And as for the 'show me' observation, I provide cites for my facts   
   >   
   > No you don't.  You extrapolate and exaggerate way beyond the sources you   
   > cite.   
   >   
   >> likewise, I simply ask for at least a single reliable citation for yours.   
   >   
   > Again,  you don't. You make up strawmen that you expect others to defend.   
   >   
   >> That's not a 'rabbit hole'. That's basic accountability.   
      
   As I wrote to badgolferman and to Alan Browne, I have always been civil   
   with those who are civil to me & I strive to continue that here despite   
   your attempts to drag this conversation into a Snit-like-Baker-like abyss.   
      
   Hence, I am not going to respond to the stones you are throwing in my   
   direction. They do not help the discussion and they do not move the   
   newsgroup forward.   
      
   What matters to me is raising the level of the conversation back to   
   technical substance. That is where I contribute immensely to this   
   newsgrpoup (e.g., outlining how the Apple WPS database works), and that is   
   where this group has historically been at its best.   
      
   When I bring up issues such as the privacy implications of the Apple WPS   
   database, I am doing so because the underlying technology and its   
   consequences are worth examining. These are factual questions about how   
   systems behave, not personal ones.   
      
   If you disagree with something I have stated, point to the specific   
   technical claim in its own thread and I will address it directly.   
      
   That is how adults resolve differences and how useful information gets   
   produced. I am not interested in trading insults with you, and I am not   
   going to follow you into that direction.   
      
   Bear in mind that I don't even respond to Alan Baker or to Snit or to   
   Joerg, which you do respond to them, so heed my words that my goals are to   
   ask you & Alan Browne to act like adults on this newsgroup moving   
   forwarded.   
      
   I am here to discuss the technology, the data, and the implications, and if   
   you and Alan Brown act like adults, I will treat you like adults.   
      
   Deal?   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)