XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone   
   From: marianjones@helpfulpeople.com   
      
   Tyrone wrote:   
   > On Dec 18, 2025 at 12:53:01 PM EST, "Marian"    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Alan Browne,   
   >>   
   >> You returning gives us all the most promise of uplifting the content level   
   >> of this ng.   
   >   
   > Not as long as you are still here.   
   >   
   >> I respect you more than most of the group I associated you with, but even   
   >> if I did not respect your knowledge (e.g., you at least read Apple's White   
   >> Papers as you quote them often), I would respond to you as you respond to   
   >> me.   
   >   
   > You don't respect anyone here who calls out your lies and bullshit.   
   >   
   >> We can agree or disagree on assessments of fact.   
   >> But if you brazenly knowingly deny facts, that's not a mark of respect.   
   >   
   > You are the only person here who denies facts. BTW, an adult does not   
   "assess"   
   > facts. An adult accepts them.   
   >   
   >> Nor would it be a mark of respect if I were to knowingly deny facts.   
   >   
   > Yet you do it daily.   
   >   
   >> Hence, I want you to be acutely aware, that if you remain respectful of me,   
   >> I will remain respectful of you.   
   >   
   > Oh the irony.   
   >   
   >> If ever I'm NOT respectful of you moving from today forward in this   
   >> newsgroup, it will be YOU who threw the first stone.   
   >   
   > You don't respect anyone here.  Every topic you start here is LOADED with   
   > stones. "Look how stupid the Apple Trolls are".  Not believing your obvious   
   > lies does not make me stupid. It actually makes YOU stupid for expecting me   
   to   
   > believe your absurd lies.   
   >   
   >> Respect me. I'll respect you.   
   >> Act like an adult. I'll treat you as an adult.   
   >   
   > You don't know how to ACT like an adult, because you are NOT an adult.   
   >   
   >> Deal?   
   >   
   > Only if you start acting like an adult.   
   >   
   > Stop posting your opinions as facts. Stop posting absurd lies. Stop posting   
   > links that not only don't support your absurd claims but often state the very   
   > opposite of what you are claiming.  Stop running away when someone DOES post   
   > facts that disprove your claims.   
   >   
   > iOS is not monolithic. Apple did not "plead guilty" in France. iPhones are   
   > more efficient than Android phones.  iPhones are more secure than Android   
   > phones. Tracking a home router does not track people. iOS can run SMB   
   servers.   
   >   iOS can connect to Windows/Linux/MacOS/Unix shared drives/folders via SMB   
   > using just the iOS Files app that is on every iOS device.   
   >   
   > Are you going to continue denying these facts? If so, then YOU are not an   
   > adult.   
      
   On the contrary, I have thanked you as the most important person on this   
   newsgroup whom I respected enough to bother to test your claims on iOS.   
      
   With the possible exception of you, in fact, nobody here owned the skills   
   to test EXACTLY which port, which could be hidden deep in the GUI iOS used.   
      
   It took effort to tease out of the Windows GUI exactly which port iOS used.   
   Without those extensive tests, a claim is worthless without that proof.   
      
   You shall remember that I thanked you openly that you were the only one I   
   trusted enough to go to the trouble of testing the wild claims, Tyrone.   
      
   As with that conversation, I'd like to offer an olive branch to those on   
   this newsgroup who can act like an adult when Apple topics come up.   
      
   That way we can keep this conversation on a more constructive level.   
      
   We clearly disagree on a number of points, but disagreement doesn't have to   
   turn into personal attacks from you that I then need to respond to which   
   takes both of us away from hashing out the confusion like adults.   
      
   Sure, we have plenty of technical disagreements, but we can remain civil.   
    a. You and I don't agree on how iOS was delivered prior to iOS 16 RSRs   
    b. You and I use different words for Apple's criminal case in France   
    c. You and I use different sources for tests of iPhone "efficiency"   
    d. You and I differ greatly in understanding privacy tracking tools   
    e. You and I use completely different definitions of phone "security"   
       etc.   
      
   The fact you misunderstand, or I misunderstand, isn't what causes the stone   
   throwing on this newsgroup anyway. What causes the stone throwing is the   
   desire by some people to go to great lengths to defend everything Apple   
   does, to they death, no matter what, using the most inane of excuses.   
      
   An example is nospam claimed that automatic call recording wasn't on Apple   
   devices because it was illegal, and yet, it's on Apple devices today.   
      
   Another example is nospam claimed that torrents aren't on iOS devices   
   because they're illegal, and yet macOS devices can torrent all they want.   
      
   It's when people have the same intense desire to defend everything Apple   
   does to the death, no matter what, using the first (always absurd) excuse   
   they can come up with, that this newsgroup often devolves into a cesspool.   
      
   I say facts about Microsoft on the Windows newsgroup, and that doesn't   
   happen. Likewise with Firefox on the Mozilla newsgroup. And on Android.   
      
   It's only on the Apple newsgroup that telling the truth about Apple   
   products devolves into a discussion where we have to wade through the most   
   preposterously absurd excuses for Apple's behavior, simply because of the   
   propensity of some to defend Apple's actions to the death, no matter what,   
   using the first (always inane) excuses for why Apple did what Apple clearly   
   did.   
      
   Let's start fresh. Usenet is water under the bridge.   
      
   If you say something logically defensible, I'll always agree with it.   
   And if you say something preposterously absurd, I'll disagree with it.   
      
   I'm here to discuss facts, share sources, and correct misunderstandings   
   when they come up and I'm happy to do that respectfully.   
      
   It's obvious I treat Ant respectfully, for example.   
   He asks questions. I answer them.   
      
   Since Ant acts like an adult, I treat Ant like an adult.   
   Why not you?   
      
   If you have "issues" you need to work out, let's put them each in a   
   separate thread, and we can work them out together, as adults.   
      
   Act like an adult, I'll treat you like an adult.   
   Deal?   
      
   > I suspect you will continue to insult me and call me stupid. But in order for   
   > your insults to bother me, I would first have to respect your opinion.   
      
   I'm not interested in trading insults or questioning each other's motives.   
   That doesn't help anyone, and it certainly doesn't raise the quality of   
   discussion in this group. If we both focus on the substance of the topic   
   and treat each other with basic respect, the conversation will be better   
   for everyone involved.   
      
      
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