XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone   
   From: marianjones@helpfulpeople.com   
      
   Tyrone wrote:   
   > On Dec 22, 2025 at 11:05:50 PM EST, "Marian"    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> You know I have higher degrees in engineering and a bachelors in the   
   >> sciences, so you know I'm extremely well tuned toward always making proven   
   >> defensible statements which stand up to the most intense scrutiny of   
   >> accuracy & level of detail.   
   >   
   > LOL.   Priceless.   
   >   
   > Seriously.  This goes into the Bullshit Claim Hall Of Fame. So your claim   
   that   
   > it was impossible to run SMB Servers on iOS because Android can't was   
   > "scientific"?????   
      
   Tyrone, I'm going to stay focused on the technical points rather than the   
   personal commentary.   
      
   When Alan Baker or Snit makes a claim, it's not believable, simply because   
   they have a long sordid history of making claims that turn out to be false.   
      
   An example is this from Snit who repeatedly claimed a decibel is a Mbps:   
       
   Jolly Roger & nospam and others made the exact same claim in these threads:   
       
       
      
   Alan Baker still insists that it's impossible to change Usenet headers.   
       
      
   It's clear that no adult conversation is possible with such people.   
      
   Of those, the only one I don't plonk is JR, and the reason is only because   
   I learn a lot from him as he's the quintessential Apple owner mentality.   
      
   The rest I don't respond to, and you should THANK me for not responding to   
   them, just as I don't respond to Joerg Lorenz as he can never add value.   
      
   I do respond to YOU though, Tyrone.   
   Expressly because you CAN add value.   
      
   Likewise with Alan Browne and Chris, Tyrone.   
   Again, only because they CAN add value.   
      
   > Your "scientific proof" was a screenshot of your web server (or whatever)   
   > running on an Android phone?  That was beyond pathetic as "proof" of what iOS   
   > can/can't do.   
      
   The screenshots were simply the record of the tests I ran. They weren't the   
   argument by themselves. I very often post screenshots in fact.   
      
   I test almost every claim made on this Apple newsgroup, in fact.   
   And I've posted, oh, I don't know, THOUSANDS of screenshots of those tests.   
      
   For you to lambaste me for simply proving I ran the tests is revealing.   
      
   The fact is, on Windows 10, I tested iOS privileged port access   
   extensively, including checking for port mapping, and the results were   
   consistent. I likely know what was happening better than all but you at   
   this point, because I made sure which port it was using. They just assumed.   
      
   However, I'm trained in sciences and engineering, so if you think a   
   specific part of the testing was incorrect, I'm open to discussing that.   
      
   But I'm not going to respond to personal attacks.   
   I'm sticking to evidence and repeatable testing.   
      
   And yes, I post screenshots proving that I ran those tests, Tyrone.   
   It's not a crime. It's a virtue that I back up every single claim I make.   
      
   >> To be clear, I wasn't trying to 'win' anything as I was presenting facts.   
   >> If anyone disagrees with any specific points, I'm happy to discuss them.   
   >   
   > No, you are not happy to discuss. You just call people stupid when they prove   
   > you are wrong.  That is the very definition of "needing to win".   
      
   I'm not interested in trading insults, so I'll keep this to the facts.   
      
   When an argument is not evidence based, and yet it's strongly held (e.g.,   
   Snit's argument that a Mbps is the same as a Decibel), I have to make an   
   assessment of the knowledge level of the person making that strong claim.   
      
   When it's not enough to explain to Snit (and to Jolly Roger) that just   
   seeing a moving graph doesn't mean that a Decibel is the same as a Mbps,   
   then I have to assess the intelligence level of the person I'm trying to   
   teach.   
      
   Specifically, when Alan Baker makes the outright claim over and over again   
   that it's impossible to change Usenet headers, I have to, at some point,   
   give up trying to teach him (which is why I plonk him), as I assess his   
   intelligence level at the point that he can't learn even if I changed the   
   headers to his name (which I did and he STILL didn't believe it).   
      
   Likewise, when Snit (aka Brock McNuggets) repeatedly claims the only metric   
   that matters for security is malware statistics, you have to assess whether   
   they own the basic intelligence to understand something as complex as   
   security.   
      
   Since I assess that Joerg Lorenz, for example, can't comprehend basically   
   anything complex, I assess him as too stupid for me to bother to converse   
   with.   
      
   You should THANK me for refusing to try to teach these people whom I've   
   killfiled, Tyrone, instead of attacking me for ignoring people who can't   
   comprehend the complexities of iOS (or for that matter, anything).   
      
   >> But I'll back off on this tack since if anyone thinks the goal is 'just   
   >> trying to be right', then I've failed at educating people on this ng how   
   >> Apple products actually work in the real world (outside of absurd marketing   
   >> claims).   
   >   
   > One can't "educate" people on a topic when one does not know anything about   
   > the topic. Tossing out your opinions is not "educating". You know nothing   
   > about iOS, security or batteries. Yet you endlessly pontificate about these   
   > and many other topics.   
      
   I'll continue to stay civil and evidence-based, even though the tone from   
   you seems to be attacking me viciously simply for thanking you for your   
   efforts in helping me test exactly which port iOS used for its SMB access.   
      
   However, when Alan Baker screams out repeatedly that it's impossible to   
   change Usenet headers, at some point, I simply must plonk people like that.   
      
   Hence, at this point, I "toss out" all the opinions from Alan Baker.   
   And from Snit (aka Brock McNuggets). And from Joerg Lorenz.   
      
   But people like you, and Chris, and possibly Alan Browne can add value.   
   If you want to.   
      
   You will be treated with more respect if you just give up on the goal of   
   defending Apple to the death no matter what, using the first inane excuse   
   that comes to your mind to defend Apple's behavior & marketing claims.   
      
   > BTW, you asking Badgolferman about "adult conversations" is about as   
   > authoritative as 2 virgins talking about sex.   
      
   I could also ask Ant, who, in addition to badgolferman, manages to discuss   
   technical topics without resorting to personal insults & endless inane   
      
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