XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone
From: marianjones@helpfulpeople.com
Tyrone wrote:
> On Dec 25, 2025 at 4:07:51 PM EST, "Marian"
> wrote:
>
>>
>> It seems we need a separate thread on teaching others and learning from
>> others more about the very important topic of how iOS is actually designed.
>
> No we don't. Again, one can't "teach" a topic when one knows nothing about
the
> topic.
>
>> Tyrone wrote:
>>>> With ones Apple devices meshed via iCloud - and all the secure
>>>> communications and storage therein, the powerful personal experience
>>>> emerges when one daily drives a Mac/iPhone/Watch and if need be iPad and
>>>> others.
>
> I did not write the above. But it IS 100% correct.
>
>>>
>>> Exactly. This is the entire point of the Apple ecosystem.
>>> Everything works together.
>>
>> This thread can be titled any of the following to help people understand
>> iOS Design, and specifically "What Happens When You Refuse the Apple ID"?
>
> It can be titled "These are Arlen's fantasies about iOS, because Arlen knows
> nothing about iOS since Arlen clearly has no iOS devices". He did not even
> know how the Files app worked. Which BTW, requires no login to Apple. Neither
> does the SMB Server app.
>
> You REALLY do prattle on, don't you? Why don't you start ANOTHER topic where
> you talk to yourself?
>
> Delusional nonsense snipped.
Hi Tyrone,
Merry Christmas!
Your personal comments aren't relevant to the technical topic, so I'll stay
focused on discussing the known behavior of iOS as observed in actual use.
The points I've described come from direct testing on multiple devices over
extended periods. They aren't theoretical and don't depend on anyone's
opinion of anyone else. To summarize the relevant behaviors:
1. *Activation requirement*
Every iOS device must contact Apple's activation servers before it can
be used, even when no Apple ID is created.
2. *Operating without an Apple ID*
A device can be used without signing into an Apple ID, but the OS
continues to prompt for one and certain features remain limited.
3. *App installation and updates*
Installing apps from the App Store requires signing into an Apple ID,
because the App Store will not function without authenticating to
Apple's servers. App updates also require an Apple ID, while OS updates
do not. Over time this leads to app/OS version divergence.
4. *Default apps and services that require Apple ID login*
Several built-in apps depend on Apple's cloud services and cannot
function fully without signing into an Apple ID. Examples include
iMessage (in iMessage mode), FaceTime, iCloud Drive, Find My, Notes
with iCloud syncing, Photos with iCloud Photos enabled, Reminders with
iCloud syncing, Safari iCloud Tabs and bookmark syncing, Keychain
syncing, and Mail for @icloud.com addresses. These apps either refuse
to activate or operate only in a reduced, local-only mode until an
Apple ID login is provided.
5. *Long-term unsigned-in behavior*
Devices left unsigned-in for extended periods eventually became
activation-locked and required in-person verification to unlock.
6. *Two-factor verification requirements*
Apple now requires two-factor verification for all Apple IDs, including
older accounts once 2FV has been enabled.
7. *Offline setup limitations*
Initial device setup cannot be completed entirely offline; activation
requires contacting Apple's servers.
While something like only one out of a million Apple owners understands any
of this above, these points describe the system's actual behavior, which is
independent of anyone's assumptions or preferences.
If anyone has contradictory observations from real devices, this is the
proper newsgroup to learn how iOS really works & to discuss implications.
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so we can all better understand the platform better conversing as adults.
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