XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone   
   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2025-12-25 13:39, Marian wrote:   
   > Marian wrote:   
   >> It seems we need a separate thread on teaching others and learning from   
   >> others more about the very important topic of how iOS is actually   
   >> designed.   
   >   
   > To help users on this Apple newsgroup LEARN how iOS actually works, and to   
   > help further the conversation to discuss how iOS actually works, here are   
   > the unavoidable facts based on long-term testing of iOS devices while   
   > avoiding manual Apple ID logins & avoiding Apple's cloud ecosystem as much   
   > as possible so that the true nature of the iOS ecosystem was being tested.   
   >   
   > 1. *Device activation and Apple servers with respect to the AppleID*   
   >    An iOS device cannot be brought into a usable state without contacting   
   >    Apple's activation servers. This activation step is mandatory and is   
   >    separate from creating or signing into an Apple ID.   
   >    Even if you skip the Apple ID portion, the device must still check   
   >    in with Apple before setup can complete.   
      
   So that it can be ascertained whether or not the device has been stolen.   
      
   >   
   > 2. *Operating an iOS device without signing into an Apple ID*   
   >    It is possible to skip signing into an Apple ID during setup, but the   
   >    device operates in a limited state. Many system components repeatedly   
   >    prompt for Apple ID credentials because the OS assumes that an Apple ID   
   >    will eventually be provided.   
      
   This is false.   
      
   I have a freshly set up iPad immediately to the left of me, and I have   
   signed out of the Apple Account (formerly "AppleID"; get the details   
   right). I'll see how many prompts I get in the next day and you'll see.   
      
   >   
   > 3. *App updates versus OS updates with & without logging into an AppleID*   
      
   This is your first true claim.   
      
   >    If you do not sign into an Apple ID, you cannot update any apps at all,   
   >    including apps that were already installed on the device.   However,   
   > the OS itself can still be updated without an Apple ID.   Over time,   
   > this causes a mismatch where the OS continues to advance   but the apps   
   > remain frozen.   
   >    Eventually, some apps stop functioning because they are no longer   
   >    compatible with the newer OS version.   
      
   Except you can sign in only to install and update the apps.   
      
   >   
   > 4. *Long-term testing without manually signing into the AppleID*   
   >    Two different iPads were operated for roughly two years without signing   
   >    back into the associated Apple ID. After that period, both devices   
   > became activation-locked.   
   >    To regain access, it was necessary to visit Apple in person and I had   
   >    to present government-issued identification. After verification,   
   >    the devices were unlocked, and the same Apple ID credentials that   
   > had always worked were accepted.   
   >    This shows that the lockout was triggered solely & unilaterally   
   >    by Apple's systems, not by any forgotten or incorrect password.   
      
   I don't believe you.   
      
   >   
   > 5. *Two-factor verification (2FV) when signing into the AppleID*   
   >    Apple now requires two-factor verification for Apple IDs.   It is no   
   > longer possible to create an Apple ID without enabling 2FV.   
   >    Even for old grandfathered AppleIDs, once 2FV is enabled, Apple does   
   >    not allow 2FV/MFV to be removed after the standard waiting period   
   >    has passed. Attempts to operate an older device without 2FV eventually   
   >    result in the account being forced into 2FV with no option to revert.   
      
   This is true. And a good thing.   
      
   >   
   > 6. *Attempting to initialize an iOS device without contacting Apple*   
   >    It is not possible to activate or initialize an iOS device entirely   
   >    offline. Even without creating an Apple ID, the activation step still   
   >    requires communication with Apple's servers.   
   >    Without that server contact, the device cannot complete setup.   
      
   Which you already said.   
      
   Are you drinking?   
      
   >   
   > These behaviors are not theoretical. They are the observed results of   
   > deliberately operating multiple iOS devices for extended periods without   
   > signing into an Apple ID, without enabling 2FV, and without allowing the   
   > devices to complete the cloud-dependent workflows that iOS expects.   
   >   
   > Thus this is the true nature of how iOS really works, which I'd guess that   
   > likely one out of a million Apple owners has any inkling of understanding.   
      
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