XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone   
   From: mariasophia@comprehension.com   
      
   Tyrone wrote:   
   > On Jan 1, 2026 at 7:01:52'PM EST, "Maria Sophia"   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> Q: Why is Apple's iOS implementation of TOR inherently unsecure?   
   >> A: ?   
   >   
   > Because iOS is more secure and does not need it.   
   >>   
   >> Q: Why is Apple's iOS TOR implementation different from all other systems?   
   >> A: ?   
   >   
   > Because iOS is more secure and does not need it.   
   >>   
   >> HINT: Even macOS has a secure Tor implementation. Just not iOS. Why?   
   >   
   > Because iOS is more secure and does not need it.   
   >   
   > But you know this.   
      
      
   Hi Tyrone,   
      
   Happy New Year!   
      
   This year we will all perhaps understand more about what iOS actually is   
   (and less about the brilliant Apple marketing that tries to excuse it).   
      
   Endlessly parroting Apple marketing propaganda that "iOS is more secure"   
   does not address the Tor issue we are trying to learn about here, Tyrone.   
      
   Endlessly parroting that iOS doesn't need it" is not a technical argument.   
   The Tor Browser isn't about protecting the OS.   
      
   It's about protecting the user's anonymity from fingerprinting, tracking,   
   and correlation attacks.   
   Those protections require features Apple does not allow.   
      
   Those valuable Tor Browser's protections rely on   
    a. modifying the browser engine,   
    b. controlling network isolation,   
    c. and bundling the Tor daemon.   
   iOS explicitly forbids all three.   
      
   This is a huge deficiency in privacy on iOS, which we've discussed before.   
   All the (rather brilliant) Apple marketing aside, this is just a fact.   
      
   Even if iOS was actually strong in some areas (sandboxing, code signing)   
   those strengths don't magically replace Tor Browser's required hardening.   
      
   Tor Browser's fingerprinting resistance, circuit isolation, and hardened   
   browser engine are privacy mechanisms that are simply lacking on iOS.   
      
   The situation is that iOS is not a "real" operating system in that it can't   
   run a tremendous amount of app functionality that every other OS can run.   
      
   The Tor Project itself says iOS cannot run a real Tor Browser.   
   This isn't speculation. It's fact.   
   Tor Browser exists on Windows, macOS, Linux, and Android.   
   Not iOS.   
      
   The Tor browser can not exist on iOS because Apple's platform rules make it   
   impossible to implement Tor Browser's security model.   
      
   Onion Browser is the best available option, but even its developer (Mike   
   Tegas) and the Tor Project acknowledge that Apple's iOS restricted design   
   cannot allow the Tor Browser's protections due to Apple's restrictions.   
      
   In summary, the issue isn't whether iOS is "secure."   
      
   The issue is that iOS prevents Tor Browser from being secure in the way any   
   Tor Browser must be. You need to know this if you want to understand iOS.   
   --   
   Seeking how iOS actually works, not how Apple advertises iOS to work.   
      
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