XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone   
   From: mariasophia@comprehension.com   
      
   Tyrone wrote:   
   > On Jan 2, 2026 at 8:26:28'PM EST, "Alan"  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2026-01-02 17:00, Maria Sophia wrote:   
   >>> Happy New Year!   
   >>>   
   >>> What are technical restrictions preventing useful apps on iOS?   
   >>>   
   >>> Offhand, I know of these... but what other useful categories of   
   >>> functionality are not only not on iOS, but on every other OS?   
   >>>   
   >>> 1.  Real background daemons   
   >>>      Reason: iOS does not allow long-running background processes.   
   >>>      Examples: Tasker (Android), cron (Linux), launchd services (macOS)   
   >>   
   >> You're wrong.   
   >   
   > So Arlen is either stupid or lying????   SHOCKING!!!!   
   >   
   >>    
   >>   
   >> But what else is new.   
   >   
   > Well, TBF he DOES have a new name. But of course he STILL has the same old,   
   > tired act.   
      
   Hi Tyrone,   
      
   Happy New Year!   
      
   The goal of this thread is to UNDERSTAND how iOS is different from all   
   other operating systems in terms of what app functionality is forbidden.   
      
   If we don't understand what iOS can't do that every other operating system   
   easily does, then we won't be able to UNDERSTAND why Apple designed iOS to   
   not be able to do the things that all the other operating systems do.   
      
   Regarding that Apple background tasks URL...   
       
      
   B. The Apple documentation linked above does not contradict the claim.   
      It describes background tasks that extend limited work begun in the   
      foreground. These tasks are discretionary, resource-dependent, and   
      cannot run indefinitely or autonomously. They are simply not close to   
      nor equivalent to real background daemons on Android, Linux, or macOS.   
      
   C. Every other mainstream OS allows at least one of the following:   
      a. user-scheduled recurring jobs (cron, systemd timers, Tasker)   
      b. autonomous background services that start at boot   
      c. persistent processes that run without user interaction   
      iOS allows none of these. That is the distinction being discussed.   
      
   D. The purpose of this thread is not to debate personal opinions about   
      iOS, but to identify categories of functionality that iOS restricts   
      at the architectural level. Background daemons are one such category,   
      and the Apple documentation confirms the limitation rather than   
      refuting it.   
      
   >> Since you were wrong right off the top, why would I bother with anything   
   >> else?   
   >   
   > Touche.   
   >   
   > But the good news is, he IS consistent. Arlen has maintained his 100% score   
   on   
   > NEVER being correct on ANYTHING he posts.   
      
   As I've already replied to your other post...   
      
   A. iOS does not allow arbitrary background daemons. Only short,   
      system-managed background tasks are permitted, and they cannot run   
      indefinitely or start on their own. Apple does provide   
      BGProcessingTask and BGContinuedProcessingTask, but these are not   
      daemons. They must be initiated by foreground activity, they run only   
      when the system decides resources are available, and they cannot run   
      persistently or autonomously like cron, Tasker, or launchd services.   
   --   
   If we can't discuss what iOS isn't capable of doing, what is it that we're   
   allowed to discuss on an Apple ng whose members purport to understnad iOS?   
      
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