XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone   
   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2026-01-02 18:29, Maria Sophia wrote:   
   > Tyrone wrote:   
   >> On Jan 2, 2026 at 8:26:28'PM EST, "Alan"  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 2026-01-02 17:00, Maria Sophia wrote:   
   >>>> Happy New Year!   
   >>>>   
   >>>> What are technical restrictions preventing useful apps on iOS?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Offhand, I know of these... but what other useful categories of   
   >>>> functionality are not only not on iOS, but on every other OS?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 1.  Real background daemons   
   >>>>       Reason: iOS does not allow long-running background processes.   
   >>>>       Examples: Tasker (Android), cron (Linux), launchd services (macOS)   
   >>>   
   >>> You're wrong.   
   >>   
   >> So Arlen is either stupid or lying????   SHOCKING!!!!   
   >>   
   >>>    
   >>>   
   >>> But what else is new.   
   >>   
   >> Well, TBF he DOES have a new name. But of course he STILL has the same old,   
   >> tired act.   
   >   
      
      
      
   >   
   > Regarding that Apple background tasks URL...   
   >      
   >   
   > B. The Apple documentation linked above does not contradict the claim.   
   >     It describes background tasks that extend limited work begun in the   
   >     foreground. These tasks are discretionary, resource-dependent, and   
   >     cannot run indefinitely or autonomously. They are simply not close to   
   >     nor equivalent to real background daemons on Android, Linux, or macOS.   
      
   Your statement was that:   
      
   "Reason: iOS does not allow long-running background processes."   
      
   iOS most certainly DOES allow "long-running background processes." Period.   
      
   Now you're dragging the goalposts and attempting to minimize.   
      
   BTW: "launchd"?   
      
   You stated as examples of "long-running background processes" that   
   aren't supported on iOS:   
      
   "Examples: Tasker (Android), cron (Linux), launchd services (macOS)"   
      
   launchd is integral to iOS, Arlen.   
      
      
   >   
   > C. Every other mainstream OS allows at least one of the following:   
   >     a. user-scheduled recurring jobs (cron, systemd timers, Tasker)   
   >     b. autonomous background services that start at boot   
   >     c. persistent processes that run without user interaction   
   >     iOS allows none of these. That is the distinction being discussed.   
   >   
   > D. The purpose of this thread is not to debate personal opinions about   
   >     iOS, but to identify categories of functionality that iOS restricts   
   >     at the architectural level. Background daemons are one such category,   
   >     and the Apple documentation confirms the limitation rather than   
   >     refuting it.   
   >   
   >>> Since you were wrong right off the top, why would I bother with anything   
   >>> else?   
   >>   
   >> Touche.   
   >>   
   >> But the good news is, he IS consistent. Arlen has maintained his 100% score   
   on   
   >> NEVER being correct on ANYTHING he posts.   
   >   
   > As I've already replied to your other post...   
   >   
   > A. iOS does not allow arbitrary background daemons. Only short,   
      
   "No true Scotsman".   
      
      
   >     system-managed background tasks are permitted, and they cannot run   
   >     indefinitely or start on their own. Apple does provide   
   >     BGProcessingTask and BGContinuedProcessingTask, but these are not   
   >     daemons. They must be initiated by foreground activity, they run only   
   >     when the system decides resources are available, and they cannot run   
   >     persistently or autonomously like cron, Tasker, or launchd services.   
      
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