XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone   
   From: mariasophia@comprehension.com   
      
   pothead wrote:   
   > On 2026-01-12, Chris  wrote:   
   >> pothead  wrote:   
   >>> On 2026-01-11, Chris  wrote:   
   >>>> Maria Sophia  wrote:   
   >>>>> Chris wrote:   
   >>>>>> The behaviour you're demonstrating is such an extreme edge case that I   
   >>>>>> doubt there is *any* documentation covering it. No developer will be   
   >>>>>> prepared for a genuine user to continually ignore requests to access   
   Apple   
   >>>>>> services on an Apple device for years on end.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Hi Chris,   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I'm happy to read you're unable to refute any of the facts   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Why lie and deny reality, Donald?   
   >>>   
   >>> Donald?   
   >>> How many nyms does this "Maria" have?   
   >>   
   >> Given he constantly lies, makes out he's the best expert, is thin skinned,   
   >> and attacks everyone who disagrees with him I found a nym for him that   
   >> fits.   
   >   
   > ROTFLMAO!   
   > That's funny!   
   >   
   >   
   >>>> You intentionally snipped the majority of my post which rebuffed all your   
   >>>> "facts". This proves to me that my suspicion is correct: none of it was   
   >>>> discovered by you, but is simply AI slop. Why otherwise would you post two   
   >>>> links to non-existent API endpoints? That's more than a simple error.   
   >>>   
   >>> That's a classic snit Brock McNuggets sidestep. He believes that folks   
   won't actually   
   >>> check the links.   
   >>>   
   >>> As for this thread, I'm a Linux user but I have an iPhone and have had   
   various   
   >>> models for years.   
   >>>   
   >>> I've never experienced being locked out and TBH I had to look up my   
   >>> iCloud PW because I rarely have to enter it. I can't remember the last   
   time in   
   >>> fact.   
   >>   
   >> Yep. That's normal. I'm the same.   
   >   
   > Good to know. I'm not an Apple person. And by rarely having to enter it that   
   > comes down to upgrading the phone or changing some aspect of iCloud, which   
   is rare.   
   > In normal day to day use, I don't remember it asking.   
   > And to the point I have never been locked out.   
   >   
   > My experience is set it and forget it.   
   >   
   >>> I have a few items like Mail, Messages, Photos etc set to backup from   
   iPhone   
   >>> to iCloud and it just works transparently.   
   >>> The only time I have really used it when I upgrade to a new iPhone or want   
   to   
   >>> archive my photos locally.   
   >>>   
   >>> So I'm not sure what Maria is talking about but if these issues were   
   causing   
   >>> problems for users the Internet would be overflowing with complaints.   
   >>   
   >> He doesn't use his ipads like any normal user would and then complains   
   >> about why they're misbehaving.   
   >   
   > As a Linux user with an iPhone and Apple watch, my method is to just leave it   
   > alone and let them work. And they do work extremely well for me.   
   > BTW I also have a Samsung mid tier phone and it too works fine for me.   
      
   Hi pothead,   
      
   You didn't hurl insults, but you must note that I am not responding to any   
   of the personal attacks you noticed, as I prefer to focus on the facts.   
      
   The point of this thread is to enjoy an intelligent discussion about iOS.   
   The goal is for all of us to better understand why iOS does what it does.   
      
   Your iOS experience, as you relayed it, is normal for a typical iOS user.   
   Nobody disputes that. Least of all me.   
      
   I know how iOS works.   
   So your experience is not refuted by me.   
      
   Your experience is the same as that of most iOS users.   
      
   However, it's not clear from your response if you "remember" being asked to   
   validate your Apple ID (aka Apple Account) from time to time, but you   
   certainly have been asked (or you logged into related Apple services) even   
   as you may never have logged out, as that's how iOS works, so your behavior   
   (nor mine) can change how iOS works.   
      
   iOS uses an intertwined set of tokens for each service which can sometimes   
   silently refresh when you log into other services but some of those   
   services eventually require the token to be re-authenticated with a passwd.   
      
   Depending on which services you utilize and particularly which you sign   
   into, your user experience with respect to the entering of a password (even   
   though you never logged out) will be different from any other user.   
      
   That's how iOS is designed to work.   
   User behavior only changes when you're asked but not how iOS is designed.   
      
   In my case, I dedicated a few iPads to TESTING how iOS works, since the   
   documentation that we eventually end up with the device being 'bricked'   
   (i.e., Activation Lock) is not well documented by Apple, as most users   
   would never think of testing how iOS works like I have done for years.   
      
   As such, this thread was never about how iOS works, but why it works that   
   way, when no other common operating system (not even macOS) works this way.   
      
   What do you think the reason is that only iOS is designed to work this way?   
      
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