XPost: misc.phone.mobile.iphone   
   From: mariasophia@comprehension.com   
      
   Tyrone wrote:   
   > On Jan 13, 2026 at 10:30:27 AM EST, "pothead"    
   wrote:   
   >   
   >> As a Linux user with an iPhone and Apple watch, my method is to just leave   
   it   
   >> alone and let them work. And they do work extremely well for me.   
   >> BTW I also have a Samsung mid tier phone and it too works fine for me.   
   >   
   > That descibes most people.  Normal adults.   
   >   
   > But Arlen has an agenda here.  It is to ALWAYS make Apple "look bad".   
   >   
   > The first question a normal person would ask is "Is anyone else seeing this?   
   >  I have to login multiple times a day on every iOS device I have".   
   >   
   > And the normal answers would come back. "Nope, I have never seen this at all.   
   >   Have you tried a soft/hard reset?  What apps do you have installed?". Etc.   
   > Lots of troubleshooting back and forth would follow.   
   >   
   > But Arlen's first question was "WHY is this happening?"  Of course, he wants   
   > to steer the conversation into something like "Because Apple is tracking you   
   > on the mothership mainframes".   
   >   
   > AGAIN, you have to first prove that something IS happening before you can ask   
   > WHY it is happening. That is Logic 101.  Inventing a scenario - and trying to   
   > prove it with dead links AND links that say NOTHING about logging in AND a   
   > single screen shot from 4 years ago - is all you need to know about Arlen's   
   > motives here.   
      
      
   Hi Tyrone,   
      
   I'm not going to respond to personal attacks as I prefer to invest energyin   
   a discussion focused on all of us better understanding why iOS works the   
   way iOS works.   
      
   So the question is WHY only iOS works the way it does with respect to   
   tokens, which, if you test it to completion, Apple 'bricks' the device   
   (i.e., Apple puts the device into Activation Lock over time).   
      
   You keep framing this as if the question were about my behavior.   
   It is not.   
      
   My behavior cannot change how iOS is designed.   
   Nor does my behavior influence why Apple designed iOS the way they did.   
      
   My behavior can only test how iOS works, and by testing how iOS works, my   
   behavior can reliably expose what Apple doesn't clearly document.   
      
   As such, this is an important thread for intellectual learning.   
   Only when we deeply test iOS do we begin to understand iOS.   
      
   And only when we probe why iOS is designed how it is, do we get a   
   three-dimensional view outside of flatland as to WHY Apple designed it that   
   way (where Apple didn't even design macOS to work this way).   
      
   Only iOS does this.   
      
   The question was never only about how iOS handles identity and token   
   renewal, which is different from other platforms, including macOS.   
      
   That difference exists whether or not you have seen it on your own devices.   
   The question is not how, but WHY Apple designed iOS to work this way.   
      
   Asking why a system is designed a certain way is not an agenda.   
   It is how technical discussion works when people wish to understand.   
      
   If you think the behavior I described cannot happen, then explain the   
   mechanism in iOS that prevents it instead of attacking the question or my   
   motives.   
      
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