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   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2026-01-17 14:47, Gremlin wrote:   
   > Alan  news:10kh1ls$2tajo$5@dont-email.me Sat, 17 Jan 2026   
   > 22:15:24 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2026-01-17 00:31, Gremlin wrote:   
   >>> Alan  news:10jjojn$2l2j$1@dont-email.me Tue, 06 Jan   
   >>> 2026 19:42:47 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 2026-01-05 06:27, CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>> Well, since you insist on me being on point, Apple is crapware   
   >>>>> because the moment the NVMe your machine comes from which also can't   
   >>>>> be replaced reaches its TBW, the computer becomes a literal   
   >>>>> paperweight because the component sends a signal to the rest of the   
   >>>>> machine to prevent it from turning on. I believe that is the   
   >>>>> definition of crap. I'm happy that I'm now back on point.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Where did you read that:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 'the component sends a signal to the rest of the machine to prevent it   
   >>>> from turning on.'   
   >>>   
   >>> Alan,   
   >>>   
   >>> Aren't you skipping over the part where Apple thought it was a great   
   >>> idea to solder the drive onto the mainboard making your ability as the   
   >>> owner to replace a bad drive not possible?   
   >>   
   >>    
   >   
   > You may want to google the definition to straw man. I wasn't providing one.   
   >   
   >>> I understand that you may not be one of those individuals who fixes   
   >>> computers on the same level as myself and Mr Rossman, but, that's no   
   >>> excuse to ignore what Apple does that is not consumer friendly. You   
   >>> have a lot of coin tied up in that Apple product. Hard earned monies   
   >>> you spent on it. Don't you believe you should be able to replace known   
   >>> to fail components so that you can get some additional years of usage   
   >>> out of your investment? It's a full fledged laptop, not a cell phone.   
   >>> You should be able to replace or upgrade the HD for a larger one if you   
   >>> so desire. You can't do either with those specific models. Once the HD   
   >>> goes kaput, the laptop is a paperweight. How is that consumer friendly,   
   >>> Alan?   
   >> I never said it was, so that would be a straw man.   
   >   
   > Alan,   
   >   
   > Don't put words in my mouth, thanks. I didn't state that you did. I was   
   > asking you a simple question - how is doing what they did a consumer   
   > friendly thing to do?   
   >   
      
   Yes, you implied that I did.   
      
   >> So all your blather is wasted.   
   >   
   > You might want to google the definition to that word as well.   
   >   
   >> Would I prefer that those components were replaceable--at least by   
   >> (semi-)trained party?   
   >>   
   >> Sure.   
   >   
   > How much training do you think one should have to be able to replace a hard   
   > disk?   
      
   How is that relevant?   
      
   >   
   >> Am I willing to give up the utility I get from using a Mac because   
   >> they're not?   
   >>   
   >> Nope!   
   >   
   > Did I ever state that you should? I was asking you how this design choice on   
   > the part of Apple is pro consumer. It's a simple question that you have   
   > completely ignored.   
      
   I answered the question, liar.   
      
   >   
   >> But on a factual basis, the laptop is not turned into a "paperweight" if   
   >> the internal SSD dies:   
   >>   
   >> 'How to use an external storage device as a Mac startup disk'   
   >   
   > It depends on how the internal has died, actually. If the IC doesn't see a   
   > good to go signal, the laptop will intentionally play dead. That isn't   
   > consumer friendly either, imo.   
      
   That's the second time that's been claimed.   
      
   I'd like to see YOUR source for making it.   
      
   >   
   >>    
   >>   
   >> If you're going to make a claim, should you maybe at least do a little   
   >> research?   
   >   
   > I didn't make any claims that I can't support, Alan. I've done more than a   
   > little research on the subject. I actually do board level repairs on the   
   > machines. I thought I was clear about that the first time I brought up the   
   > fact that the internal drive isn't replaceable? Back when I asked you if   
   > that was a consumer friendly design. When you asked me to summarize the   
   > content of the video because you had no interest in learning a little of the   
   > tech side about some of their anti consumer designs.   
      
   So show your source.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >> I typed, "can you boot an apple silcon mac from an external drive?" into   
   >> DuckDuckGo and the very first external link was that one.   
   >   
   > I wasn't disputing that you could do that in many cases, either. Being as   
   > the gear is a laptop, you shouldn't be forced to resort to using an external   
   > drive to continue using it in the situations where the SSD hasn't failed in   
   > a spectacular manner, either. Perhaps strawman better suits your example   
   > than it did my post?   
      
   You claimed it would be made into "a paperweight".   
      
   Was that claim false? Yes or no.   
      
      
      
   >   
   > You shouldn't have to rely on an external drive to continue being able to   
   > use the machine. A consumer friendly design would allow you to replace the   
   > internal drive when it's faulty or when you desire additional storage   
   > capacity. Soldering components like that to the mainboard locks the user in   
   > and is not a consumer friendly design. For what you pay for the machine, at   
   > the very least, you should be able to replace the internal drive without too   
   > much hassle. Apples designs won't let you replace it at all. How is that pro   
   > consumer? And why would you support a company that designs their gear in   
   > this manner?   
      
   So, can you replace the power supply on your laptop? What? No? It's an   
   integral part of the motherboard, you say?   
      
   Could it be that you accept the drawback of not being able to replace it   
   in order gain the utility that the smaller form factor allowed by   
   integrating many of the components allows?   
      
   >   
   > Why would you support a company has anti consumer designs that you pay a   
   > decent amount of coin for that also likes to mate components so that if you   
   > have a suitable donor board, you cannot use critical known to be working   
   > components from it to bring another machine of the same make and model back   
   > into service?   
      
   I use Macs because they have worked very well for me over the span of   
   more than 35 years.   
      
   Like any other rational person (which I'm beginning to suspect is not a   
   class of which you are a member), I weigh the pros and cons of those   
   things I just to purchase with my "coin".   
      
   >   
   >   How is that a pro consumer design?   
      
   Did I say it was?   
      
   > It doesn't benefit you the consumer. It   
   > only benefits Apples bottom line.   
   The PRODUCT AS A WHOLE benefits me, doofus.   
      
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