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   From: nobody@haph.org   
      
   Alan  news:10kh42s$2tnfv$7@dont-email.me Sat, 17 Jan 2026   
   22:56:28 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:   
      
   > On 2026-01-17 14:47, Gremlin wrote:   
      
   >> Alan,   
   >>   
   >> Don't put words in my mouth, thanks. I didn't state that you did. I was   
   >> asking you a simple question - how is doing what they did a consumer   
   >> friendly thing to do?   
   >>   
   >   
   > Yes, you implied that I did.   
      
   I did no such thing. Don't get snit like on me. We can have an adult   
   conversation without resorting to that.   
   I asked you a very simple question. I will ask you again. How is soldering   
   components like the HD and ram in some cases too, a pro consumer thing to be   
   doing? How is forcing you to run the machine entirely from external media   
   from that point onwards when the internal drive fails in a non cascade   
   failure condition? Being able to run from external media is obviously not   
   limited to Apple, but that's besides the point. I could run this machine   
   entirely from external media as well. But, why should I be forced to do so?   
   The internal drive access time is going to be faster than the external   
   interface. Why should I be limited in such a manner as a consumer?   
   Especially when you consider how much it costs to purchase one of the   
   affected Apple machines brand new. If it was a cheap computer costing a few   
   hundred dollars I could better understand the lack of feasable repair and   
   upgradability but we aren't talking about a few hundred dollar machine here.   
      
   Why do you continue to avoid the fact that those decisions on the part of   
   Apple are not consumer friendly decisions?   
      
   >>> Would I prefer that those components were replaceable--at least by   
   >>> (semi-)trained party?   
   >>>   
   >>> Sure.   
   >>   
   >> How much training do you think one should have to be able to replace a   
   >> hard disk?   
   >   
   > How is that relevant?   
      
   You brought it up. I was just asking for clarification. It shouldn't take an   
   act of congress (forgive the expression) to be able to replace a hard drive.   
   A component known for at some point, failing. It doesn't matter the vendor   
   or who manufactured the computer. A hard drive is a component that is known   
   to fail at some point and you shouldn't be unable to replace it. You should   
   be able to change it out for a larger capacity one as well. For some reason,   
   Apple doesn't agree. How is the Apple methodology concerning this acceptable   
   to you as a consumer of their products?   
      
      
   >>   
   >>> Am I willing to give up the utility I get from using a Mac because   
   >>> they're not?   
   >>>   
   >>> Nope!   
   >>   
   >> Did I ever state that you should? I was asking you how this design   
   >> choice on the part of Apple is pro consumer. It's a simple question   
   >> that you have completely ignored.   
   >   
   > I answered the question, liar.   
      
   Alan, again, I will state that there's no reason to get snit like on me and   
   accuse me of things I did not do. I have the entire thread where I shared   
   the video and summarized it for you saved locally. You did not respond (you   
   still haven't responded) to my question. How is soldering the HD onto the   
   mainboard in such a manner that it cannot be replaced a pro consumer thing   
   to be doing? If you have actually answered this, please provide the MID so   
   that I can see what you wrote. I don't believe that I missed your reply, but,   
   I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt by asking for the MID of   
   your post.   
      
   You are an adult right? Name calling shouldn't be necessary here.   
      
   >>   
   >>> But on a factual basis, the laptop is not turned into a "paperweight"   
   >>> if the internal SSD dies:   
   >>>   
   >>> 'How to use an external storage device as a Mac startup disk'   
   >>   
   >> It depends on how the internal has died, actually. If the IC doesn't   
   >> see a good to go signal, the laptop will intentionally play dead. That   
   >> isn't consumer friendly either, imo.   
   >   
   > That's the second time that's been claimed.   
   >   
   > I'd like to see YOUR source for making it.   
      
   You should have taken a few minutes out of your busy day and watched the   
   video I shared a link to. You can also double check me with Louis Rossman.   
   He works on them at the component level as well. He's also much harsher with   
   his opinions concerning Apples design decisions. He doesn't find them to be   
   pro consumer either.   
      
   Have you ever actually seen any schematics to an Apple laptop yourself, Alan?   
   How much experience do you have at the board level repairing them or non   
   Apple rigs?   
      
      
   >>   
   >>>    
   >>>   
   >>> If you're going to make a claim, should you maybe at least do a little   
   >>> research?   
   >>   
   >> I didn't make any claims that I can't support, Alan. I've done more   
   >> than a little research on the subject. I actually do board level   
   >> repairs on the machines. I thought I was clear about that the first   
   >> time I brought up the fact that the internal drive isn't replaceable?   
   >> Back when I asked you if that was a consumer friendly design. When you   
   >> asked me to summarize the content of the video because you had no   
   >> interest in learning a little of the tech side about some of their anti   
   >> consumer designs.   
   >   
   > So show your source.   
      
   Review the video link I shared. I can provide you additional ones when   
   you're finished with that one.   
      
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> I typed, "can you boot an apple silcon mac from an external drive?"   
   >>> into DuckDuckGo and the very first external link was that one.   
   >>   
   >> I wasn't disputing that you could do that in many cases, either. Being   
   >> as the gear is a laptop, you shouldn't be forced to resort to using an   
   >> external drive to continue using it in the situations where the SSD   
   >> hasn't failed in a spectacular manner, either. Perhaps strawman better   
   >> suits your example than it did my post?   
   >   
   > You claimed it would be made into "a paperweight".   
      
   In some cases, it does become one. It depends on how the soldered non   
   replacable drive died and which components specifically are the root cause.   
   That video would have explained this. And, it's one of Louis Rossmans. He's   
   considered an expert with Apple repairs at the component level. Are you   
   completely unfamiliar with what's actually going on component wise at the   
   board level? It's a genuine question. I'm attempting to gauge your actual   
   knowledge level before getting deeper into the subject. If i've already lost   
   you, I need to know so that I can for lack of a better term, dumb things   
   down a bit so that you and I can continue the discussion.   
      
   > Was that claim false? Yes or no.   
      
   It's not false, Alan.   
      
   >> You shouldn't have to rely on an external drive to continue being able   
   >> to use the machine. A consumer friendly design would allow you to   
   >> replace the internal drive when it's faulty or when you desire   
   >> additional storage capacity. Soldering components like that to the   
      
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