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   On 1/20/26 16:23, Gremlin wrote:   
   > -hh  news:10kns16$166dh$1@dont-email.me   
   > Tue, 20 Jan 2026 12:21:58 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 1/19/26 22:24, Gremlin wrote:   
   >>> Alan  news:10kh1ls$2tajo$5@dont-email.me Sat, 17 Jan   
   >>> 2026 22:15:24 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 2026-01-17 00:31, Gremlin wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> But on a factual basis, the laptop is not turned into a "paperweight"   
   >>>> if the internal SSD dies:   
   >>>   
   >>> If one or more of those NAND chips which make up the internal SSD   
   >>> shorts to ground, your mac becomes a paperweight. It's no longer able   
   >>> to make use of external media in that case. To repair it requires NAND   
   >>> replacement as well as power management components.   
   >>   
   >> But isn't that true of all computers when a soldered component fails?   
   >   
   > Nope, it's not. If this rig were to blow say a diode, that failure most   
   > likely would not resort in a main power rail shorting to ground. I   
   > actually worked on an HP laptop a few years ago that had a failed diode.   
   > It wouldn't let you use the charger; but as long as the battery still had   
   > power the machine would boot and operate normally. The diode failed in a   
   > closed manner vs open. I did have to tear the machine down and pull the   
   > main board to troubleshoot and repair it, but the component wasn't   
   > difficult to replace and the laptop has been running fine since. Supports   
   > the charger again too. :)   
   >   
   > All kinds of components are soldered on computers and other electronics.   
   > Those usually don't resort in main power rails being grounded out. In   
   > 2019-2020 Apple had a problem (surprise surprise) with their power   
   > management IC. It would overvolt the NANDS and kill them. When they died,   
   > the opted to short to ground and as they did so, took out the main power   
   > rails along with them. I haven't worked on any non apple products which   
   > opted to take out main power in such a failure condition. This seems to be   
   > a design feature of Apple. They're also bad about running the data lines   
   > very close to the power lines on the PCB. I'm not sure what cost savings?   
   > this gives them, but, it does invite problems from a failed electronics   
   > POV.   
   >   
   > A lot of the kits I've built over the years, including my own custom   
   > drivers have soldered components too. None of them when they fail take out   
   > main power along with them. That's just not a good design practice...   
      
   Blown capacitors are another common failure point on older PCs...how   
   many of these are socketed?   
      
      
   >> Its been 40+ years since I've owned a computer whose RAM was installed   
   >> in sockets - - are you suggesting that this is what we all should be   
   >> "just in case" going back to?   
   >   
   > What sort of computers have you been using for the past 40+ years that had   
   > their RAM soldered in place? And what do you mean by going back to? Socket   
   > based RAM is still very much a thing.   
      
   No, the stuff you're referring to is a hybrid, because even though there   
   was a SIMM/DIMM socket, the RAM chips on its board was soldered.   
      
   I was referring to earlier PCs, where there was no RAM soldered at all,   
   because each RAM chip was installed into its own dedicated socket.  This   
   was in the early Apple ][ series.   
      
      
   -hh   
      
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