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Wed, 21 Jan 2026 13:49:04 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jan 2026 03:14:38 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:
>
> Sounds wonderful for corporate clients.
I would hope they have sound backups that they've actually tested and know
for a fact are intact and not corrupted or otherwise unusable. This is a
policy that should be followed on a routine basis regardless of the computer
platform though. If they have a small fortune tied up in these machines,
their IT dept should have done their research prior to purchase.
>> System Failure: Modern Macs (Apple Silicon/M-series and T2 Intel
>> models)
>> cannot booteven from an external driveif the internal NAND is
>> non-functional. Critical firmware required for the boot process is
>> stored on these internal chips.
>
> This basically destroys Anal's argument a few months ago that you can just
> use an external drive if your main one dies. This one fact cooks the
> zealot.
It completely destroys their argument. They shouldn't have tried to be
cheeky suggesting I do my research before commenting. I've done considerable
research :) It's required in order to perform some repairs. Schematics
aren't always easy to come by. You can't always trust that the ones you
might eventually find are the latest and/or as accurate as you'd hope. So
you have to resort to the old school ways of electronics troubleshooting
when you have either no schematic at all or an unreliable one.
>> Catastrophic Hardware Issues: In some models (like the 16-inch Intel
>> MacBook Pro), a power rail failure can send high voltage (13V) directly
>> into the NAND, physically "blowing" the chip and making data recovery
>> extremely difficult.
>
> Ah, I thought it was 12V. Nevertheless, if you NVMe dies, your entire unit
> dies. I'm sure Apple users will welcome this as they do all other
> stupidity from Cupertino.
Apple encourages continued purchases. In Apples case, the extended warranty
options aren't a complete scam. They are something an Apple person should
seriously consider based on their needs. A logic board (mainboard in the
case of the Apple if it's out of warranty or Apple decides it isn't covered
is not an inexpensive purchase.
> I'm sure businesses who made the transition to Apple will be overjoyed by
> this reality.
I don't think some of them are fully aware of the situation. They rely on
their IT dept to make these decisions. Sometimes, IT depts make bad
decisions which sometimes wind up being costly.
>> Micro-soldering Repair: Specialist independent shops can sometimes
>> desolder the failed NAND chip and replace it with a donor chip. However,
>> this is a highly complex procedure requiring specialized tools to
>> re-pair the new chip with the Apple security processor.
>
> This is so much easier than the five-minute process of simply replacing
> the dying NVMe with a new one, and the fifteen minutes it might take to
> migrate the old drive's data to the new one.
Isn't it though? Also, even if you have the required hardware to replace the
components themselves, there's no guarantee that doing so will ressurect the
dead mac. And, if it did, you'd be trusting used components that do sustain
wear and tear. The rig might continue to operate for the length of time
that's expected. It may only last a few months from the time the repair was
completed. The components are hardware locked too, you'd need to do some
very low level things to try to reset that effect and attempt to remate them.
>> Professional Data Recovery: If the data is critical, labs like
>> DriveSavers or Ontrack (Apple-authorized) may attempt a "chip
>> transplant" to a donor board to temporarily power the system and decrypt
>> the data.
>
> I'm sure this costs no more than $20.
The success rate is horribly low when this is attempted due to the
encryption in play and the chips being keyed to the board they are
originally soldered onto. There's just some things that many tricks of the
trade won't help with in these situations. That transplant isn't a very fast
process when done by hand, either.
>>> 2. That Macs with a dead SSD can't boot.
>>
>> Modern ones can't. Apple decided to put some critical firmware on the
>> NANDs.
>> Once one of them dies, the mac is done. New logic board time to 'fix it'
>> - Surely as the mac person you are you knew about this? Granted, it
>> started to really take off in 2020 so I suppose although unlikely that
>> it's possible you didn't know?
>>
>> Well, you do now.
>>
>> Here's another link:
>>
>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254792933?sortBy=rank
>>
>> Checkout the first reply. Read the whole thread if you'd like. The mac
>> dies when the SSD dies. No external boot option will be available for
>> you.
>
> ROFL. I already told Anal this, but he always needs more evidence no
> matter how much you provide. It must be hard to be a zealot who can't
> think for himself.
I know you did, I read your posts. They continued to argue with you and
ignored the video link I shared as well as attempted to dismiss me by
inferring that I was talking out of turn like they thuoght you were. When
they opted to be cheeky about it - I decided I could make it text based
while proving that every statement I made about the soldered on SSD drives
is all true. I also went ahead and shared information showing that this has
been the way Apple likes to do things for over 5 years now. Alan
demonstrated that they didn't know as much about the computer they own as
they thought they did. An outsider such as myself who does not run Mac
demonstrated that from a hardware standpoint - I do :)
This could have all been avoided if Alan opted to do a little more research
instead of the limited amount they took the time to show us before
suggesting that I learn some about the subjecct before I go and write about
it. As with you, they were taking issue with my statements concerning the
laptop turning into a paperweight.
I provided him video links on two seperate occasions. The first time around,
he didn't have anything else to write to me about it. When I recently
replied to something he wrote again, he proceeds to play the search engine
game. I thought I'd respond in a similar manner this time around. He didn't
want to watch the video because it's from a known trusted and respected
Apple repair guy and it wasn't supporting his claims. His suggestion that I
do research before I comment did however crack me the fuck up. I do repairs
at the component level on the PCB. I'm not a typical end user of any
specific companies products. He went on and on about well, I can use an
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