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   On 1/24/26 23:59, Gremlin wrote:   
   > Alan  news:10l41ij$18fbn$1@dont-email.me Sun, 25 Jan 2026   
   > 03:10:11 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2026-01-24 16:49, Gremlin wrote:   
   >>> chrisv    
   >>> news:ucf2nkhovbtqnjl0js8pjrb0nu8jlq2ilh@4ax.com Wed, 21 Jan 2026   
   >>> 21:01:33 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> -hh wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> CrudeSausage wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Once it dies, it sends a 13V shock to other   
   >>>>>>> components essentially killing the entire computer. Even if you   
   >>>>>>> manage to replace the NVMe and replace any damaged parts, you're   
   >>>>>>> still going to be missing the required data to boot the computer.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> How would you defend that?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Simple:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> If the NVMe is socketed instead of being soldered, explain how this   
   >>>>>> design difference prevents the 13V spike from also being fatal?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You're answering a question with a question. Are you a muhammedan?   
   >>>>> How about you be specific for a change, especially since we both know   
   >>>>> that Apple products no longer offer anything that is socketed.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The question is, would the same Flash IC failure in a X86 PC with   
   >>>> socketed NVMe also "send a shock" that would kill the computer?   
   >>>   
   >>> Nope. The PC would be fine. It's not designed to EOL when the internal   
   >>> drive does. :) That's an Apple thing.   
   >>   
   >> This was about a "13V spike".   
   >   
   > I'm aware. The answer would still be Nope. That spike is popular with   
   > specific Apple models.   
      
   Oh, so by "specific models", this criticism was referring to a design   
   flaw?   
      
   Just which models were these?  Are they still being sold new, or are   
   they discontinued?   
      
   And:  did the same basic flaw also exist on non-Mac PC models too?   
      
   Likewise, which brands/models?  And still being sold or discontinued?   
      
      
   >> How does a socket protect against that, exactly?   
   >   
   > I've never said that a socket would protect you from anything, specifically,   
   > Alan.   
      
   Which means that you also know that it would not, since a socket's   
   function is to be an electrical conduit.   
      
      
   > Alan, I haven't seen your response to my question about your knowledge of   
   > electronics at the component level. Have I simply missed your response or   
   > have you been neglecting to provide one?   
      
   Likewise, we've seen criticisms of this failure mode which allude to it   
   being specific and unique only to Apple hardware, but no one has said   
   that it actually is specific and unique only to Apple hardware: why have   
   these criticisms been so deliberately vague on this point?   
      
   -hh   
      
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