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   From: nobody@haph.org   
      
   Alan  news:10lgehe$1inqr$2@dont-email.me Thu, 29 Jan 2026   
   20:05:02 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:   
      
   > On 2026-01-28 19:24, Gremlin wrote:   
   >> -hh  news:10l50jn$1jvep$1@dont-email.me   
   >> Sun, 25 Jan 2026 11:59:51 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Just which models were these?  Are they still being sold new, or are   
   >>> they discontinued?   
   >>   
   >> Are you unable to look anything up for yourself? It's well documented.   
   >> Well known. Which makes it very easy to find with your favorite search   
   >> engine. Plus, I already shared supporting information concerning this   
   >> issue in a previous reply to Alan.   
   >   
   > If it's so "well documented" and "easy to find"...   
   >   
   > ...why didn't you just provide it?   
      
   Er, because I have, already, several times now. You continue to ignore the   
   information or otherwise pretend it doesn't exist. If -hh is following along   
   in our discussion, he's seen the posts where I shared various video links as   
   well as google query and search results all supporting what I've been   
   writing about. As well as a discussions.apple link I shared again, just   
   yesterday.   
      
   Choosing to ignore it doesn't make it go away or in any way water it down,   
   Alan.   
      
   > The point was (as you conveniently snipped) that someone suggested that   
   > Macs are somehow more susceptible to a "13V shock", because their SSDs   
   > are soldered.   
      
   Careful how you try to misrepresent what I've been writing about. :) I've   
   stated that the SSD is soldered - which is correct. I've also stated that   
   when the SSD dies, you won't be using external media to boot the machine and   
   continue using it - Apple thought it was wise to move some much needed   
   firmware from it's own chip onto the NANDs which makeup the SSD. Lose that   
   firmware, lose the computer. You can't just desolder those NANDs and replace   
   them. You won't have a copy of the necessary firmware. Apple doesn't want to   
   sell you those NANDs. but, they did at one point offer a 1TB kit; you'd just   
   have to manually remove all of the NANDs by hand and ever so carefully   
   solder them to the affected board. Then, figure out some way to get the   
   necessary firmware back into them. This easily turns the repair job into one   
   that will cost the client 800 or more. Good luck with that.   
      
   The NANDs Apple uses are not standard. They have some internal issues which   
   causes them to fail prematurely. When they do, your computer becomes a   
   paperweight. You can't get around this fact about them, Alan.   
      
   > Would I prefer that Apple hadn't chosen this setup? Sure.   
      
   I suspect most people would have preferred Apple not do that, had they known   
   about it prior to purchase.   
      
   I snipped your other paragraph; We're just going around in circles at this   
   point. I've more than backed up my position. It's upto you what you do with   
   the information I've shared. If you wish to continue ignoring it, that's on   
   you.   
      
   > Do I still want to continue using Macs despite that choice? Absolutely.   
      
   I'm not trying to convince you not to use them. I don't care what you use   
   anymore so than you should care about what I use. I was just letting people   
   who wanted to know about some issues Apple has with their lovely walled off   
   garden designs.   
      
      
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