XPost: comp.os.linux.advocacy, alt.computer.workshop   
   From: nuh-uh@nope.com   
      
   On 2026-02-09 16:47, Joel W. Crump wrote:   
   > On 2/9/26 7:36 PM, Alan wrote:   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>> You don't seem to have anything negative to say about Apple.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> I have lots of negative things to say.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> You're just not paying attention.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> That's obviously a lie, you won't admit the SSD overcharging   
   >>>>>>>>> issue,   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> WHAT "overcharging issue" would that be: the alleged 13V "spike"...   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> ...which applies whether or not your SSD is soldered or socketed?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Cost, not electricity, as the rest of my sentence you split said.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> something that is transparently price gouging, no matter how   
   >>>>>>>>> much it's talked about you stick to your guns, because you   
   >>>>>>>>> literally are an Apple employee, paid to post here.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> No. I am not.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> OK.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Charging what people are willing to pay is NOT "overcharging"...   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> ...UNLESS THEY HAVE NO OPTION BUT TO PAY.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Since Apple isn't the only maker of personal computers, people are   
   >>>>>> willingly choosing to buy what Apple offers...   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> ...precisely because it isn't about the components.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It is about buying a whole system that they find works well for them.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> That's provably false.  The cost of upgrading the SSD/etc. makes   
   >>>>> the "whole system's" price outrageous.  256 GB even being offered   
   >>>>> is part of the scheme - it's fair to say it's enough for some   
   >>>>> people, sure, but a lot of people are gonna say "well, I can't get   
   >>>>> by with that, but I must have a Mac, so I'll just bite the bullet   
   >>>>> and pay $200 extra". That's the *definition* of price gouging.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> If it's "provably false"...you really should have said something   
   >>>> that proves it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> "Outrageous" is an adjective and proves nothing.   
   >>>   
   >>> OK, then, tell me straight out, answer the question for once, why is   
   >>> the upgrade $200?  What about a 512 GB SSD obviates that cost?   
   >>   
   >> Nothing has to.   
   >>   
   >> PEOPLE BUY SYSTEMS!   
   >>   
   >> The question they ask (the rational people) is:   
   >>   
   >> "Do I get a whole SYSTEM that works for me at the price I'm am being   
   >> offered?"   
   >   
   >   
   > What is rational about giving away $200 to a corporation?   
      
   That you get an ENTIRE system that works better (for YOU) than the   
   alternative.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you not see the point, we know Apple sells a lot,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> the question is whether this really makes sense if   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers knew what they were actually paying for.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> And once again, you assume that only you are smart enough to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> figure out this kind of thing.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> I don't assume any such thing, actually.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> That is LITERALLY what you assumed.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> "If consumers knew" assumes that they do NOT.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> So that means I think *I* am the only one who sees through   
   >>>>>>>>> this? 'Cause I am not.  Lots of people hate Apple for very   
   >>>>>>>>> similar reasons to mine.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> "Hate"? Dude... ...HATING a company because they sell their   
   >>>>>>>> products at prices people are willing to pay is messed up.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> You should seek out a mental health professional.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> No.  Because I see right through what Apple is doing.  You are a   
   >>>>>>> nice guy, more or less, but you are a privileged, (presumably)   
   >>>>>>> white person with the means to afford Apple's stuff.  As such,   
   >>>>>>> you are a cash cow to them.  A willing victim of their price   
   >>>>>>> gouging. Your money to spend, sure, you may think it's worth it,   
   >>>>>>> I don't dispute that, but it's still completely ridiculous that   
   >>>>>>> half of a 512 GB SSD is $200.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> And out come the personal insults...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Maybe, but you didn't refute the point.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Because there were no points of substance to refute.   
   >>>   
   >>> Again, explain why the SSD upgrade is so expensive.   
   >>   
   >> Because they can.   
   >   
   >   
   > Right.   
   >   
   >   
   >> But people are willing to pay for it.   
   >   
   >   
   > Bourgeois and/or desperate people.   
      
   And the ad hominems begin again!   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>> AppleCare if you pay extra?  Nonstandard interface ports that   
   >>>>>>>>> they claim are better 'cause they say so?  What a joke.  What a   
   >>>>>>>>> total cult.  And you're the ringleader.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> What "non-standard" ports has Apple ever used, since ADB (Apple   
   >>>>>>>> Desktop Bus)?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You know, I actually have to concede something here.  The EU   
   >>>>>>> forced them to make iPhone jacks USB-C, which was a downgrade to   
   >>>>>>> make them compatible with other manufacturers' chargers.  So, in   
   >>>>>>> that respect, I actually think Apple was superior, albeit for the   
   >>>>>>> function of charging the device, not using it.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Apple introduced most of the ports that advanced the personal   
   >>>>>> computer standard.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> When IBM-style PCs had only parallel ports, Apple introduced Macs   
   >>>>>> with SCSI that allowed up to 7 devices to be attached to one port.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> When the IBM-style PC was using ISA slots, Apple introduced Macs   
   >>>>>> that used a far superior open standard called NuBus.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> USB: an open standard first widely available on the original iMac.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Firewire: an open standard far faster than USB at the time.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Thunderbolt: an open standard far faster than USB at its   
   >>>>>> introduction.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Etc.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I would mostly not challenge those points.  I would point out that   
   >>>>> the proprietary nature of some of these features supports the idea   
   >>>>> that Apple trends nonstandard, though.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Of those, the only proprietary one was ADB.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Everything else was an open standard.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> So your second sentence proceeds from a false premise.   
   >>>   
   >>> Heh, no, dude, they pretended they were open standards.  In practice,   
   >>> they were Apple proprietary.   
   >>   
   >> No...dude:   
   >>   
   >> They were open standards. And ALL of them were obviously, objectively   
   >> better than the standards that happened to chosen for IBM-style PCs.   
   >   
   >   
   > Do you see any real numbers of other manufacturers adopting Thunderbolt?   
      
   How is that relevant to the fact that they are all open standards   
   (caveat ADB).   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>   The best Mac app is Microsoft Office!  Imagine!  I hate that   
   >>>>>>>>> shit when it's on Winblows, but I dug the Mac version when I   
   >>>>>>>>> saw it in 2010.  But most of the small apps I downloaded/   
      
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