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From: nobody@haph.org
Alan news:10lr9sf$111n7$1@dont-email.me Mon, 02 Feb 2026
22:53:03 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
> On 2026-01-31 04:03, CrudeSausage wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2026 04:04:04 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:
>>
>>> CrudeSausage
>>> news:697cd047$0$22$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com Fri, 30 Jan 2026
>>> 15:37:43 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 03:14:49 -0000 (UTC), Gremlin wrote:
>>>> At this point, it is pretty clear that Alan is unable to think for
>>>> himself. If we want to know what he thinks, we should communicate
>>>> with Apple directly.
>>>
>>> He wouldn't have had to do much/any thinking on his own had he
>>> bothered to take the time to review the material I've provided
>>> multiple times now. I even dumbed it down to show google search
>>> queries and the results. No video review required in those cases - but
>>> the general information was the same. The videos provide significantly
>>> more specific details if one is inclined to know them for various
>>> reasons. Alan evidently is not one of those people who wants to know
>>> the specifics.
>>
>> If the evidence shows that Apple's hardware has a flaw and that he made
>> a mistake buying from them, Anal Snit doesn't want to acknowledge it.
>> The only kind of evidence he accepts is whatever makes Apple look good.
>
> But no one has demonstrated a "flaw".
> All that's happened is that Apple has made a CHOICE.
Anyone else who watched the videos I shared links to has learned that it's
a flaw while being an intetional design choice.
> I disagree with the choice, BTW.
That's good!
> But what's been presented is a conflation of the fact that SSDs do
> eventually reach a point where they can no longer be written to...
I wasn't writing much about SSD dying from normal wear; Crudesausage was
bringing that aspect up. That cleared up for you, once the drive reaches
max writes; it'll goto a read only state. *cough* Allow me to state so
that you and hh don't try being as you've been so far - it *should* go
into a read only state. That's when you should be backing up anything you
haven't already made sure you have. The drive is dying at this point. It
could depending on some variables continue to allow data access for upto a
year according to some people. You can use an external drive to continue
using the computer, but, it's not stopping the death of the internal
drive. That's still going to occur and when it does (from natural causes
or something else) it's finished along with the computer. External media
booting and usage will no longer be possible. That modern Apple computer
becomes a paperweight. Repairing it is costly if it's not still in
warranty.
google query:
if an sdd can no longer accept writes can it still be used as read only
Yes, an SSD that can no longer accept writes (due to exhausted P/E cycles
or severe wear) can typically still be used as read-only . Most modern SSD
controllers will automatically lock the drive into a read-only mode to
prevent data corruption and allow for data recovery before the drive fails
completely. Key Details Regarding Read-Only SSDs:
Data Preservation: The drive intentionally prevents new data from
being written to ensure existing data remains safe and accessible.
Recovery Action: It is crucial to immediately copy all data to a new
storage device. "Dead" Drive Status: While readable, the drive is
effectively at its end-of-life and should not be trusted for storing
data, as it will likely fail entirely soon. Limited Lifespan: JEDEC
specifications generally suggest data will remain readable for about
one year after the drive has exhausted its write cycles. Not Always
Fixable: While some read-only states are caused by temporary file
system errors (fixable with diskpart or fsck), a write-protect state
caused by the exhaustion of flash memory cells is permanent.
Important Advice: Do not attempt to reformat or force a write to a drive
that has gone read-only due to end-of-life, as this may permanently
destroy access to the data.
> (And BTW, Gremlin has erroneously claimed that Apple uses proprietary
> designs for the NAND chips in their SSDs).
Semantics eh? Apple makes them propreitary in the manner of usage and
installation. You can't pull NANDs from a donor board and just replace the
ones on the dead computer. It won't work.
> The eventual end of the SSDs life as a writeable storage medium is
> certain (although the lifespan has been greatly underestimated by the
> haters).
It depends on how the drive is treated. You can abuse them and greatly
shorten their life. The drive is starting to die once it reaches max
writes. It might last in read only mode for upto a year. That gives you
another year or less if you use external boot media from then on to
continue using that computer. Once the drive dies, you lose the ability to
continue using external media to boot and continue to use the computer.
I'm not an Apple hater, btw. I'm just not what you'd call a fan. I
strongly dislike them. I have since I was a kid. I didn't like the ones we
had in school. I started with the Apple ][ and went thru basically all of
them. Until the Macs came around, I considered the computer I had at home
to be superior. It was a Coco3 with the 512k expansion board. I eventually
had the double drive FD-502 (It came single; you had to cut a resistor
free to tell it's logic board that you had a second drive installed once
you actually did), the tape recorder (I'm sure you remember cassettes) the
soundcard, the 9pin Dot matrix printer (I do concede that the Imagewriter2
was a better printer than mine by far.) and the RGB monitor. I didn't have
the multiple cartrige expansion box though. That would have been nice
because I could have had all the devices available to me at the same time.
When it came time to get a more advanced computer, by then I had some
experience with the IBM Compatible PC series and that's what I wanted. A
PC in that context. I've been a PC primarily person ever since. I prefer
their open artechiture design. The freedom to do what you want from the
hardware and software levels. I can design/build my own cards to be
installed in a PC - because I have the required information which covers
the pin layout and configuration on the various expansion slots. It's
freely avaialble and documented information. I can dump the BIOS/UEFI of
this machine and make changes if I want to do so directly and reflash it.
I've taken advantage of that to remove optionroms from a computer that was
brought to me that I thought was erroneously locked down. It turned out
being lojack. an older version of it that is flashed into the BIOS, I
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