From: tim@streater.me.uk   
      
   On 13 Feb 2024 at 12:14:57 GMT, "Ahem A Rivet's Shot"    
   wrote:   
      
   > On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 09:29:08 +0000   
   > The Natural Philosopher  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 12/02/2024 20:23, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:   
   >>> On 12 Feb 2024 19:10:53 GMT   
   >>> TimS  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> We don't actually give a flying fuck about that. There was never any   
   >>>> justification for these weapons to be in private hands anyway.   
   >>>   
   >>>     Questionable justification for them to be in any hands IMHO.   
   >>   
   >> I think what is happening in Ukraine fully justifies their existence and   
   >> use.  Because if the other side has them, you are going to be walked all   
   >   
   >     Yes that's always the justification - "the bad guys have them",   
   > therein lies the problem.   
      
   It's usually a single bad guy. WW2 only happened because of Adolf, Ukraine   
   only happened because of Putin. If we get trouble in the Pacific, it will be   
   because of Xi.   
      
   It only takes one to make war; it takes two to make peace. After 1991, we all   
   thought Russia was on a peaceful/democratic trajectory, and we were encouraged   
   by the Chinese changing leaders every ten years. Thats all gone by the board   
   now, and we have to adapt accordingly, just as we eventually did in the 1930s.   
      
   --   
   Tim   
      
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