From: tnp@invalid.invalid   
      
   On 13/02/2024 12:41, TimS wrote:   
   > On 13 Feb 2024 at 12:14:57 GMT, "Ahem A Rivet's Shot"    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 09:29:08 +0000   
   >> The Natural Philosopher  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 12/02/2024 20:23, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:   
   >>>> On 12 Feb 2024 19:10:53 GMT   
   >>>> TimS  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> We don't actually give a flying fuck about that. There was never any   
   >>>>> justification for these weapons to be in private hands anyway.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>      Questionable justification for them to be in any hands IMHO.   
   >>>   
   >>> I think what is happening in Ukraine fully justifies their existence and   
   >>> use.  Because if the other side has them, you are going to be walked all   
   >>   
   >>      Yes that's always the justification - "the bad guys have them",   
   >> therein lies the problem.   
   >   
   > It's usually a single bad guy. WW2 only happened because of Adolf, Ukraine   
   > only happened because of Putin. If we get trouble in the Pacific, it will be   
   > because of Xi.   
   >   
   No. That is criminally naive. The reasons why Adolf, Putin and Xi became   
   leaders are rooted in many other economic and geopolitical factors.   
      
   They were and are products of their time and place. Just like Donald   
   Trump is.   
      
   > It only takes one to make war; it takes two to make peace. After 1991, we all   
   > thought Russia was on a peaceful/democratic trajectory, and we were   
   encouraged   
   > by the Chinese changing leaders every ten years. Thats all gone by the board   
   > now, and we have to adapt accordingly, just as we eventually did in the   
   1930s.   
   >   
   Putin wont hand in his guns just because you do. That's all I am saying.   
      
   And he would regard your viewpoint as that of a useless stupid idiot.   
      
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