From: none@invalid.com   
      
   On 30/08/2024 15:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:   
   > On 30/08/2024 15:39, mm0fmf wrote:   
   >> On 30/08/2024 14:28, John Aldridge wrote:   
   >>> In article <20240829191334.570e88c7507598ffe5b28d87@eircom.net>,   
   >>> steveo@eircom.net says...   
   >>>>>>     Portable code should only rely on the standards not   
   >>>>>> implementations, some very weird possibilities are legal within the   
   >>>>>> standard.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Heh, yes. I worked for several years on a machine where a null pointer   
   >>>>> wasn't all bits zero, and where char* was a different size to any   
   >>>>> other   
   >>>>> pointer.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>     That rings vague bells, what was it ?   
   >>>   
   >>> Prime. It was word, not byte, addressed, so a char* had to be bigger.   
   >>>   
   >> I used a Prime750 at Uni. But only undergrad tasks in Prime BASIC and   
   >> some Fortran. It seemed quite fast at the time in timeshare mode with   
   >> plenty of undergrads using it. But the CPU was only as fast as an 8MHz   
   >> 68000!   
   >>   
   > That is the staggering thing. CPU performance in the mini era wasn't   
   > that hot at all.   
   >   
   > I see someone has made a Pi PICO emulate a range of 6502 based computers   
   > - apple II etc.   
   >   
   > I am fairly sure a PI Zero could outperform a 386 running SCO Unix...and   
   > that was pretty comparable with - if not better than - a PDP 11.   
   >   
   >   
      
   The CPUs may not have had stunning performance but were generally quite   
   a bit quicker than the Z80/6502s of the day. The real performance came   
   from having disks and ISTR hardware assisted IO. i.e. the CPU didn't   
   have to poll or handle IRQs from each UART but there was something   
   helping. It's all so long ago now I forget the details. What I do   
   remember was it was around 1985 when someone lit the blue touch paper   
   and the performance of micros started rocketing.   Though if you started   
   10 years before me there will have been something that was when   
   performance took off for you. I think everyone has some point in their   
   memory when things started to go whoosh!   
      
   In 1989 I was writing Z80 assembler to control medical gear. All the   
   code took about 45mins to cross assemble and link on a Unix system   
   running on a Vax 11/730. In 1990 we got a 25MHz 80386 running DOS and   
   the same source took under 3mins to cross assemble and link.  The   
   bottleneck went from the time to build the code to the time to erase,   
   download and burn the EPROMS.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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