From: tnp@invalid.invalid   
      
   On 02/10/2025 16:01, RJH wrote:   
   > On 2 Oct 2025 at 14:32:36 BST, Daniel James wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 02/10/2025 11:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:   
   >>> ... here a pi 500+ at £192 is well above a decent equivalent performance   
   >>> refurbished desktop.   
   >>   
   >> Comparisons of that sort are always difficult.   
   >>   
   >> To start with: comparing a new Pi 500+ with a refurbished desktop isn't   
   >> fair. One is new the other isn't.   
   >>   
   >> What do you mean by 'equivalent performance'? Most PCs spend most of   
   >> their time idle. For some uses performance matters, for others it   
   >> doesn't. I have used a Pi 5 quite a bit, and I find it is sufficiently   
   >> responsive that I don't notice any sluggishness compared with my (much   
   >> more powerful) desktop PC.   
   >>   
   >> The Pi uses less power than a PC -- especially when that PC is a   
   >> refurbished older model -- which is reason in itself to prefer it.   
   >   
   > OoI - are they both pretty much silent?   
      
   My PC is.   
      
   It probably has a fan, but I seldom hear it   
      
   Intel® Core™ i5-6600T CPU @ 2.70GHz × 4   
      
   I'd say it idles at 5-10W mostly similar to a pi 5.   
      
   The trouble is that Intel has got its MIPs per watt up nearly as high as   
   a Pi. And does more MIPS.   
      
      
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