From: not@telling.you.invalid   
      
   Lawrence D'Oliveiro  wrote:   
   > On 22 Dec 2025 10:50:06 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:   
   >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro  wrote:   
   >>> On 20 Dec 2025 17:38:15 +1000, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:   
   >>>> I find journalctl unclean in all the most important respects ...   
   >>>   
   >>> If that's what your system is using to record its per-user log   
   >>> files, then your choices are either a) learn to use it, or b)   
   >>> switch to a different distro.   
   >>   
   >> Already done b), and in fact on Raspberry Pi I have the   
   >> (non-Systemd) syslog daemon started manually only for debugging, so   
   >> normally there are no such logs at all.   
   >   
   > So what happens to the diagnostic messages from GUI apps that you run?   
      
   They go to the framebuffer console X is started from (Ctrl-Alt-F1),   
   unless they were started from a terminal window. But those messages   
   aren't sent to syslog by the GUI applications, maybe your systems   
   have something extra which does that when GUI programs are started?   
      
   Syslog messages go nowhere if there's no syslog daemon running.   
      
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