From: bv@wjv.com   
      
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   Frank Durda IV  wrote:   
   >tim lindner  wrote:   
   >: So Google Groups is violating your copyright? It fits the definition of   
   >: "non-USENET venue" to me.   
      
   ...   
      
   >Yahoo is not as bad but is in the same category as Compuserve   
   >was, who used to allow customers to upload select items,   
   >including USENET posts (frequently after alteration), and then   
   >Compuserve made these modified texts available ONLY to paying   
   >customers. Collectively, the resulting disregard for ownership   
   >by the Compuserve subscribers and Compuserve itself was outright   
   >theft. I suspect that if DMCA existed back then, Compuserve   
   >would have been more responsive to removal requests, but the   
   >fundamental problem of it not being the original USENET posts   
   >being archived remained.   
      
   And for the first few years of Compuserve - before the PC became   
   ubiquitous - they claimed no copyrights - then as time progressed   
   they said everything there was covered under a compliation ??   
   copyright.  I didn't like that.  When I started however   
   Compuserve was called Micro-net.   
      
   ...   
      
   >Any text post made on USENET will be archived forever by someone,   
   >including some governments, schools and businesses.   
      
   I've archived all the TRS stuff that was on an email group on The   
   Source - before they crashed it trying to bring up a second   
   Prime Computer.  In a few weeks we all moved over to Micro-Net   
   with the first SIG there, written as I recall, in Fortran,   
   by Richard Taylor - author of TRS80 Opera.   
      
   I xfered these from single sided 5.25", to DS 5.25" and finally   
   to 8" DS.  I now need to get one of the 16/6000s up and running   
   LDOS to transfer these - as I was using a Max80 at the time - and   
   then I'll put up the non-copyrighted material.   
      
   And when data acess was expensive and floppies were about $3.00   
   each for 88K, I didn't go back and get the first messages on the   
   Micro-Net sig. So I don't have the first message ever posted there.   
   However I do have a great many starting with about message 50,   
   and continuing on until Compuserve changed their way, and booted   
   Taylor and shut down the MNET-80 in favor of others.   
      
   Those were fun days.   
      
   >I elect to control re-use and re-distribution of my works, as   
   >allowed by law.  Please comply.   
      
   I can see why - and your posts have been exceptionally helpful,   
   and for that I thank you - as do so many others.   
      
   And it was that fatefull day in 1977 when I bought the 4th   
   Model I sold in Orlando that changed my life forever.   
      
   Bill   
      
      
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