Hi Bob,

On Sat 2039-Feb-19 18:09, BOB KLAHN (1:123/140) wrote to RICHARD WEBB:

BK>  Of course we won't. That would take facing down the republicans. 
BK> The administration would defend their failure to do that as 
BK> "picking our battles." This is the battle they should chose to 
BK> fight.

Right, but I don't see us moving to even support those
movements.  FIrst, even if we would find intervention
desirable we're already spread too thin militarily, so we'll have to just
watch and see what happens.

 RW>> MIght be, but still imho appeared to be another despotic
 RW>> state, iow a theocracy.

BK>>  So is Israel, but that doesn't stop us from supporting them.  Iran
BK>> was on the way to democracy. Who knows how much of the  detour is
BK>> due to Bush trashing them.

 RW> WHO can tell, but as for ISrael, I haven't been an ISrael
 RW> supporter for a long time.

BK>  I hold that the only right to exist Israel has is the same as  any
BK> other nation, the fact that they do exist. That does not  imply a
BK> requirement on our part that we support every extreme  thing they
BK> do.

That's essentially my position.  tHey exist, that's a fact
of life, but that doesn't mean we should prop them up.



BK>>  Yeah, but climate change is a fraud don't you know. Ask the
BK>> Australians swimming in their streets, or the Chinese enjoying
BK>> their extended dry spell, or the African nations now getting  ready
BK>> to fight over the Nile water.

 RW> I'm supposed to buy into the assertion this is a fraud made
 RW> by the same scamsters who ripped off the American taxpayer
 RW> to the tune of millions for this tarp horse hockey.   I'm gonna rush right out and do that.>

BK>  You do realize that was the ironic form of speech, don't you? 

Knew that .  Still these anti science barbarians get
about as much respect from me as do the Qaedas.
Imho they're dangerous to the survival of the human race.

 RW>> Agreed, to a point.  Local self determination is always
 RW>> preferrable, but i have the same objections to a
 RW>> "christian" theocracy, or any other theocracy for that
 RW>> matter. 

BK>>  I agree. As I said, mix government and religion and it's bad for
BK>> both.

 RW> OF course it is, but we still have plenty of that mixture,
 RW> and the religionists want more.

BK>  Obama should abolish the Office of Faith Based Initiatives. 
BK> Straight out abolish it as unconstitutional.

I've thought that should be declared unconstitutional from
the get-go.

BK>>  Need to also declare any corporate involvement in suppressing
BK>> human rights won't be tolerated, and we don't care what country
BK>> that corporation is from.

 RW> But then we'd be severely punishing our own, and punishing
 RW> the biggest ISrael boosters from their NEw York City board
 RW> rooms.

BK>  I feel so sad for them. (Stopping to wipe a tear from the corner 
BK> of my eye.)

ME too .

BK>>  Just today reading the reason Al Qaeda has been totally silent  on
BK>> Egypt, it's a denial of everything Al Qaeda stands for. Seems  Al
BK>> Qaeda hates the Muslim Brotherhood. The MB renounced
BK>>  violence, and this revolution was pulled off peacefully. Al  Qaeda
BK>> stands for violent revolution, and this shows them up  badly.

 RW> COol!

If stable truly representative governments do happen to
spring up the Qaedas have lost their best recruiting tool.
They know this.  tHIs is the biggest reason we should aid
and abet those movements.

Regards,
           Richard
--- timEd 1.10.y2k+
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