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 Message 123 of 415 
 BOB KLAHN to ALL 
 The world as it is (was and will be). 
 20 Feb 11 22:38:52 
 
 An ordinary citizen's analysis of our economic situation.

 This is not a professional paper, or a thesis in economics,
 just the view of an ordinary person developed over decades of
 watching the economy and 63 years of life experience.

 America's national debt is over $14 trillion dollars. Our
 national debt is nearly equal to 90% of our entire economy as
 measured by the GDP. This percentage is known as the debt load.

 The deficit has become pretty much the only real focus of one
 political party, and much of America. Debt and deficit are a
 continuing point of dispute in the media. Yet should the debt
 and deficit be so much the focus? Is it going to burden our
 children and our grandchildren? Let me lay out a scenario for
 you.

 It is shortly after the war on two fronts has ended. We have an
 unemployment rate going up and veterans coming back often to
 jobs that no longer exist. The national debt has exploded,
 rising to 110% of our GDP, and we are coming out of one
 recession and heading into another.

 Consider that, then ask, is this our future?

 I don't know, but I do know, this is our history. This is our
 past. This is the world I was born into.

 In the year 1947, when I was born, World War Two had recently
 ended, millions of men were coming home, not the hundreds of
 thousands of this war. The debt was equal to 110% of our
 economy, which was down from the 122% of just a year before. It
 was a world war, though, so we had to face that. We had a
 recession in 1945, and another in 1948. Sounds pretty bad,
 doesn't it?

 Though the actual numbers were low compared to today, the
 percentages were worse. After all, we have a vastly larger
 economy today to deal with that debt. Which is like being able
 to afford a larger mortgage because you have a larger income.

 Still, the debt at 110% of GDP was much more of a debt burden
 than we have today. Yet we did survive, and prosper.

 According to the Federal Budget History files, 2011: At the end
 of WWII the debt load was almost 122% of GDP. It went down
 under every president, war and peace, recession or prosperity,
 liberal or conservative, republican or democrat, from 1945 until
 it was down below 33% in 1980.

 What was the key? Many I have talked to about this say we did
 it because the US was nearly untouched by the war, but Europe
 and Asia were devastated. From 1945 to 1960 that might be the
 explanation, but by 1960 Europe and Japan were pretty well
 rebuilt and coming back. Yet the debt load went down. By 1970
 Europe was thriving, and Japan was gaining a reputation as an
 economic champion. Still the debt load went down. When 1980 came
 around Japan was famed as an economic powerhouse, and Europe was
 strong and growing. In spite of which the debt load went down,
 until 1980.

 I believe it went down because Americans were working and
 producing and creating the wealth that built the economy and
 brought down the debt load.

 In 1980 the debt burden was 33% of the economy, the GDP. By the
 time Obama took office it had gone up to pushing 90% of the
 GDP, and approaching $12 Trillion.

 So, Obama was handed an economy that was in recession and at
 risk of another depression, fighting two wars, and a debt load
 that is headed for crushing. If the country went into depression
 the GDP could drop as much as 50%. The debt would not drop, so
 the debt load would become horrendous. 90% jumps to 180%. Higher
 than this country has ever seen. If the GDP dropped 25% that
 still pushes up the debt load back to the WWII level of 120%.

 This is also history, except that we survived it that time.
 From 1929 to 1933 the nation's GNP went down 46% Back then they
 used GNP instead of GDP, but the numbers are close enough for
 our purposes.

 The GNP went down, but the debt didn't. They don't reduce your
 debt just because your income goes down. So the debt went from
 16% of GNP to 30% before one more dollar was borrowed. In fact,
 more money was borrowed, it was the depression remember, so the
 total debt went to 40% of GNP. Still low by today's standards,
 but remember, by 1980 our debt load of 33% was near the 1932
 level.

 All of the increase in the debt load from World War II until
 Obama took office was accumulated under three anti-tax
 presidents. That's 100%. Every other president brought it down.

 In looking at the growth of the national debt I found the fact that it
 doubled in some president's terms interesting, so I looked into the factor
 of debt multiplication. In looking at this I was focusing on short term
 multiplication, first in 10 year increments, then in presidential terms.
 What I found was, there are long stretches where the debt doubles slowly,
 and short periods where it multiplies. From 1929 on though, slow or fast,
 it's up almost continuously.

 Looking back to the middle of the 1800s till today I find periods of
 multiplication, over short periods, with similar characteristics. I have
 concluded there are only two causes associated with debt multiplication,
 war and recession. We have both.

 So, how do we cut the deficit, and the growth of the debt? And how fast do
 we have to do it? In 1936 recovery from the Great Depression was well
 along. At that point FDR was persuaded to try to reduce the debt, by
 cutting back on his "stimulus" programs. In 1938 economists were writing
 up articles on why the nation went back into recession in 1937. The nation
 didn't recover to its 1929 level until 1941, just before WWII began. So
 when to cut back is a crucial matter of timing.

 From 1960 until 2001 federal spending ranged from 17% to nearly 23% of
 GDP. It was running in the 18% range in the late '90s. After 2001 it went
 up hitting near 25% by the time Obama took office.

 These are important numbers. Remember, the common standard for a recession
 is two quarters of declining GDP. Not quite accurate, but we can work with
 it. With federal spending at 25% of GDP, any reduction comes right out of
 GDP. Normal GDP growth is targeted at the 3% range. Much more than that
 and the Federal Reserve starts having fits. A 10% cut would mean 2.5% off
 the GDP. Cut 20% and you cut 5% off the GDP, which is instant recession.
 Do we want to go that way?

 Any reduction of federal spending means shifting the economy to the
 private sector. Moving back to the pre-2001 levels requires a balanced
 shift to avoid bringing the recession back. And that means economic
 recovery. With unemployment as high as it is, the only way we will manage
 that sort of shift is with job growth. Not just jobs, but well-paid jobs.

 There is no way we are going to achieve that in a reasonable length of
 time through the new economic thinking. The information based or green
 based economy will not develop enough good jobs fast enough to do the job.
 We need to bring back industry to this country. We need to manufacture
 what we consume. That does not require a revolution in our educational
 system or our regulator system, it requires a revolution in our thinking.

 Back in 2007 the Wall Street Journal reported a poll of Republicans showed
 60% thought free trade was bad for America. Many of us have held to the
 call for Fair Trade, not Free Trade. That is the solution.

 Until we can do that, the only agency that can keep this country afloat is
 the federal government. The federal government can borrow money to keep
 the system from collapsing, the states cannot. If the states start going
 under, if layoffs are resurgent, we may yet see a depression. Whether we
 can recover from that is uncertain, this time.

 Are our children and grand children going to have to pay for this? Yes,
 just like we did. The question is how will they do it.

 The only fix for our problem is jobs, well-paid jobs. Any tinkering with
 the federal budget to try to solve the debt problem with cuts will
 probably just aggravate the problem.

 Jobs are the problem. Jobs are the solution.



BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

... The problem is jobs... the solution is jobs...
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