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BK>>  OH, now that I can see the point of. Though... if the reason for
BK>> the invasion of Iraq was to bring freedom to the Iraqis, the
BK>> current rational of the right, then why not bring freedom to the
BK>> people of Pakistan?

 RW> Indeed!  IT takes trained troops, it takes willpower, it
 RW> takes building of infrastructure, the things we're failing
 RW> to do in Afghanistan.

 Don't forget, nationbuilding is not good. Nationbuilding is bad.
 Nationbuilding is the work of Satan. We know that because right
 wingers tell us so.

 Best to just let them live in anarchy and grow hard and bitter
 and hate filled... what can they do, we are protected by oceans,
 aren't we?

 ...

 RW>> I'm still waiting to see that freedom for KUwait we fought
 RW>> for ya know.  LEt's either do it right, or bring the young
 RW>> men and women home.

BK>>  Yeah... we are patient, waitind for 20 years for that freedom  for
BK>> Kuwait. OTOH, some truth might make the waiting easier.  Wikileaks,
BK>> where are you when we need you?

 RW> FUnny but nobody has anything to say about that.

 After Kuwait I was thinking, the next president should vow that
 no American soldier would be sent to fight, and put his life on
 the line, and maybe die, unless it's for democracy for the
 country they are fighting for.

 The Emir of Kuwait would not have been allowed to return by my
 rules.

 RW>> IF nothing else there's always that big water control
 RW>> project in INdia.  WE can defend it with troops and tell
 RW>> the folks in ISlamabad that we'll shut off the tap unless
 RW>> they stfu and do as they're told.  sO more innocent people
 RW>> will die.  CAn't make an omelet and all those other nice

BK>>  Maybe just do some precision surgery of the Pakistan
BK>>  intelligence service.

 RW> tHere's a thought.  ISI essentially operates with autonomy.

 Exactly my thought.

BK>>  IF we are going to get serious about terrorism, the best place  to
BK>> start is Saudi Arabia. But you already know that.

 RW> That's from whence the money flows.

 Yep... you know. And the fanaticism. The word is not Islamic,
 the word is not Jihadi, the word is Wahabi.

 RW>> because that's the biggest danger right now.  so long as
 RW>> the government in ISlambad permits the Qaedas to operate
 RW>> freely they should be considered a rogue state, and treated
 RW>> accordingly.

BK>>  More like a failed state. Or a failed state in the process of
BK>> failing.

 RW> this is true, but they'll continue to fail unless something
 RW> drastic is made to happen.  Had to pause while writing this
 RW> msg for the xyl to read me an article from this morning's
 RW> paper.  Seems the government over there is breaking up.
 RW> THe more moderates are bailing out of parliament and the
 RW> cabinet twould appear.

 From what I have heard about that, the parties that are bailing
 out are not planning to bring down the government. None of them
 want to be responsible for bringing back the military rule.

BK>>  OTOH, we need to rein in India's nuke activities also. Damn so
BK>> much we need to do.

 RW> Right, and the way to rein in INdia's nuclear ambition is
 RW> to deal with the failed state which is their neighbor.

 I suspect India would still want to be the dominant power so
 they would keep the nukes. They all need to be under world
 pressure.

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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