EH>>>>> I look forward to see what legal gymnastics Holder does in his
 EH>>>>> appeal.

 RS>>>> One judge, making his ruling.

 RS>>>> It'll be appealed, I have no doubt it'll be brought all the way to
 RS>>>> the Supreme Court.

 JB>>> And you believe it is constitutional to force people to buy health
 JB>>> care  or be fined or jailed ?

 BA>>> Of course he does.  Note that it's very unlikely that he will have to
 BA>>> purchase it, most likely it will be furnished to him free - unlike
 BA>>> even those of us on Medicare (for those unaware I pay just under
 BA>>> $100/month for Medicare out of my Socialist Security).

 The uninsured in this country are overwhelmingly the working
 poor. They are the ones being hurt now, and the ones the right
 want's to keep out of the system.

 TR>> Ditto. And a medication I take for blood pressure just took an OOP
 TR>> jump of 600%, as of the first of the year.

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 BA> There's a really easy way for the government to cut the
 BA> price of health care in this country,
 BA> quickly, too.  And it will probably have far more effect on
 BA> insurance premiums than Obamacare
 BA> was supposed to (Obamacare was supposed to REDUCE premiums
 BA> by expanding the pool; in

 Obamacare was supposed to reduce costs through the public plan.
 That was killed. The increase in the pool doesn't take effect
 until 2014.

 BA> fact it INCREASED the premiums because it converted what
 BA> had been insurance into another welfare program - and a big
 BA> hunk of the pool expansion was deadbeats and others that
 BA> won't or can't pay the premiums anyway).

 Whose medical costs are paid for anyway, according to you. So
 that is obviously false. The big hunk of the uninsured are
 working poor, not deadbeats. You are partly right, they can't
 pay the premiums, because they are poor. That has always been my
 objection to the mandate.

 Since the mandate does *NOT* take effect for two more years, any
 insurance company that claims that's the cause of premium
 increases is committing fraud.

 Anthem Blue Cross has admitted their massive insurance premium
 increase is due to healthy young people falling out of the
 system because they are losing their jobs, or can't find jobs.
 It's the economy... one more time.

 BA> All the government had to do was require that insurors =
 BA> specifically including Medicare - pay health claims, in
 BA> full, within 30 days of submission; the only allowable

 If the government has to pay in full, why shouldn't insurance
 companies. Your theory was applied to drug suppliers under
 Bush's drug payment program, no negotiating lower prices. The
 result has been a disaster.

 Medical costs will soon be 20% of our GDP. If they have to pay
 bills in full that 20% will probably jump to 40%. Another
 disaster.

 Payment within 30 days should be required, but will have
 relatively little effect on overall costs.

 BA> discount would be 10% if the bill is paid within 10 days of
 BA> submission.  Simple, easy to understand, and it doesn't
 BA> require a couple of hundred thousand bureaucrooks to run it.
 BA> Among other things, it would eliminate "cost shifting"

 Yeah, they will just hold all prices high. Remember, cost
 shifting would not be possible in a truly competitive market in
 the first place. So, that proves medical care is not any sort of
 competitive market, so costs will not come down if the
 government is required to pay in full.

 BA> (which places those unpaid charges on
 BA> everybody else's bill) and would eliminate at least one
 BA> incentive for fraud. It would also

 The only incentive for fraud necessary is profit. That won't be
 eliminated, it will be increased.

 BA> renmder unnecessary the phalanxes of Medical Records
 BA> specialists whose only purpose is to
 BA> insure that patients' diagnoses are coded to ensure the
 BA> maximum possible reimbursement (coding has become a
 BA> recognized subspecialty of that field). Most folks don't

 That is completely false. If they pay in full it will still be
 profitable to code for maximum payment, even more so in fact.

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BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

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