So he knew the answer to SH's question all along. This is a
 tacit admission Ross S was right.

SH>>> How do you know this, Otto?


TR>> He's a leftie. He follows the leftie method of trashing anyone who
TR>> says things he doesn't like or agree with.

 ...

 TR> Here's something on that for you to chew on:


 TR> Mr. Kristol, Stand for Truth

 TR> Bill Kristol has opened the french doors of his ivory
 TR> tower, stepped out and deigned to address the great
 TR> unwashed conservative quarter. High above the people and
 TR> reality, he admonishes those on the right for not embracing
 TR> the catastrophic events unfolding in the Middle East.


 TR> In his opinion piece, Stand for Freedom, he dismisses or
 TR> summarily denies the concrete facts on the ground. Of
 TR> course, we all want freedom. Of course, we support voices
 TR> yearning to be free. We fought for and believed The Bush
 TR> Doctrine, and still do. But there is far more at work here,
 TR> as evidenced by the fierce behind-the-scenes jockeying and
 TR> arm-twisting by the on-the-ascent Muslim Brotherhood, an
 TR> organization created at the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

 TR> The left wing lemmings are eating up this discourse like
 TR> maggots on dead flesh, but that is their only joy, so let
 TR> them have it.


 TR> But Kristol is so wrong, inexcusably so. Glenn Beck nailed
 TR> it. The advance of Islamic supremacism is exactly what is
 TR> at play here. And we are right to be cautious. Nobody
 TR> expects Mubarak to survive -- we only care about what comes
 TR> after. There is Kristol-lite and there is reality.


 TR> Muslim Brotherhood: Egyptians demanding restoration of
 TR> Islamic law


 TR> And yet William Kristol writes:


 TR> The United States has played a role in helping those
 TR> transitions turn out (reasonably) well. America needn't be
 TR> passive or fretful or defensive. We can   help foster one
 TR> outcome over another. As Krauthammer puts it, "Elections
 TR> will   be held. The primary U.S. objective is to guide a
 TR> transition period that gives secular democrats a chance."�


 TR> Now, people are more than entitled to their own opinions of
 TR> how best to accomplish that democratic end. And it's a sign
 TR> of health that a political and intellectual movement does
 TR> not respond to a complicated set of developments with one
 TR> voice.


 TR> But hysteria is not a sign of health. When Glenn Beck rants
 TR> about the caliphate taking over the Middle East from
 TR> Morocco to the Philippines, and lists (invents?) the
 TR> connections between caliphate-promoters and the American
 TR> left, he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and
 TR> the John Birch   Society. He's marginalizing himself, just
 TR> as his predecessors did back in the   early 1960s.


 TR> Nor is it a sign of health when other American
 TR> conservatives are so fearful of a popular awakening that
 TR> they side with the dictator against the democrats.


 TR> Rather, it's a sign of fearfulness unworthy of Americans,
 TR> of short- sightedness   uncharacteristic of conservatives,
 TR> of excuse-making for thuggery unworthy of   the American
 TR> conservative tradition.


 TR> We welcome freedom. We are not siding with dictators, but
 TR> fighting against the tyranny of Islamic totalitarianism,
 TR> and so should you, Mr. Kristol. Shame on you.


 TR> We are not naive. We saw these same Western liberals usher
 TR> in the reign of the Ayatollah Khomeini and that, too,
 TR> changed the world forever, for the worse.


 TR> Much worse.


 TR> It was not so long ago, after all, when conservatives
 TR> understood that Middle Eastern dictatorships such as
 TR> Mubarak's help spawn global terrorism. We needn't remind
 TR> our readers that the most famous of the 9/11 hijackers,
 TR> Mohammed Atta, was an Egyptian, as is al Qaeda's number
 TR> two, Ayman al Zawahiri.


 TR> Indeed. Islam produces jihad, Mr. Kristol. Islam produces
 TR> fundamentalism. The quran commands it, demands it. Millions
 TR> of jihadis are reading the same playbook. Blaming Mubarak
 TR> or US policy for jihad is like blaming a woman for being
 TR> raped (ah, if only she didn't have that vagina, all would
 TR> be well).


 TR> The idea that democracy produces radical Islam is false:
 TR> Whether in Pakistan,   Saudi Arabia, the Palestinian
 TR> territories, or Egypt, it is the dictatorships   that have
 TR> promoted and abetted Islamic radicalism. (Hamas, lest we
 TR> forget,   established its tyranny in Gaza through
 TR> nondemocratic means.)


 TR> Is that so? So please, Mr. islamic scholar Kristol, explain
 TR> all of the jihadists and home grown terrorists born and
 TR> raised in Western nations. Think, man.


 TR> Quoting Robert Spencer, "Muslims are the first immigrant
 TR> group that has ever come to this country with a ready-made
 TR> model of society and government they believe to be superior
 TR> to what we have here."


 TR> What irks me is that Kristol is dead wrong on Beck's
 TR> presentation. Finally, someone had the gonads to speak to
 TR> Islamic supremacism and its global project, and Kristol has
 TR> the gall to smack him down. How the Weekly Standard has
 TR> failed the right!  Mnay of us have been covering this for
 TR> years, perplexed and disturbed that no one in the
 TR> mainstream media dare touch it.


 TR> The left always aligns itself with the totalitarian
 TR> ideology of the day (ie Stalinism, communism, national
 TR> socialism [nazism]), and so it is with Islamic supremacism.
 TR> Those of us covering the anti-America, anti-war, anti
 TR> israel movement have documented this for years. CODE PINK,
 TR> ANSWER, Al Awda, Socialist Workers Party, International
 TR> Solidarity Movement (ISM), CAIR, ISNA, If Americans Knew
 TR> (IAK), Friends of Sabeel-North America (FOSNA), Muslim
 TR> American Society (MAS), Students for Justice in Palestine
 TR> (SJP).


 TR> Trust me, Mr. Kristol, Beck did not "invent" that.


 TR> There is nothing that Beck said was inaccurate. It's all
 TR> there. You don't have to look for ghosts. There is vast
 TR> historical, political, judicial evidence of the global
 TR> jihad and its ties. As for the existence of the violent
 TR> goals of the caliphate, read the quran and hadith. Or
 TR> better yet,  take a quick look at the past millennium and
 TR> the 270 million victims of jihadi wars, land
 TR> appropriations, cultural annihilations and enslavements.


 TR> An American conservatism that looks back to 1776 cannot
 TR> turn its back on the Egyptian people. We should wish them
 TR> well, and we should work to help them achieve as good an
 TR> outcome as possible.


 TR> This prig is lecturing us on 1776? We live it. Every day. I
 TR> have for the past nine years since 911. I strongly
 TR> recommend Mr. Kristol step back and read Ibn Warraq, Wafa
 TR> Sultan, Sir Martin Gilbert, Mark Durie, Jewish history, the
 TR> Muslim Brotherhood project, the news accounts of the jihad
 TR> in Thailand, Somalia, the Philippines, Ethiopia, China,
 TR> Beslan, Moscow, London, Madrid, Israel, Lebanon, Sudan,
 TR> Tunisia, Kenya ....... you get the picture.

 TR> ---
 TR> *Durango b301 #PE*

BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn

--- Via Silver Xpress V4.5/P [Reg]
 * Origin: Doc's Place BBS Fido Since 1991 docsplace.tzo.com (1:123/140)