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   From: gay-perverts@nbc.com   
      
   'Homosexual Pedophiles': A Clinical Term   
      
   The fact is, however, that the terms "homosexual" and   
   "pedophile" are not mutually exclusive: they describe two   
   intersecting types of sexual attraction. Webster's Dictionary   
   defines "homosexual" as someone who is sexually attracted to   
   persons of the same sex. "Pedophile" is defined as "an adult who   
   is sexually attracted to young children." The former definition   
   refers to the gender of the desired sexual object, while the   
   latter refers to the age of the desired sexual object.   
      
   A male "homosexual pedophile," then, is defined as someone who   
   is generally (but not exclusively, see below) sexually attracted   
   to boys, while a female "homosexual pedophile" is sexually   
   attracted to girls.   
      
   Furthermore, Herek deceitfully leaves out the salient facts in   
   the Jenny study, which Dailey explains in Footnote 23 of his   
   article:   
      
   The Jenny study used this narrow profile despite the fact that   
   the study itself found that 22 percent of the perpetrators were   
   of the same sex as the victim. In these cases the molesters   
   clearly engaged in homosexual sexual molestation.   
      
   Twenty-two percent of the molestations were homosexual, and   
   using a 2% figure for the percentage that homosexuals are of the   
   total population, this would be a ratio of 11 to 1. On a   
   probability basis, homosexuals are 11 times more likely to   
   molest children than heterosexuals. This fits in the low end of   
   most valid statistics on this problem. They generally range from   
   10 to 30 times. Also these figures are very conservative for two   
   reasons. By far, most of the homosexual molesters are men   
   abusing boys; and sexual abuse of boys is under-reported. And,   
   since there are both men and women in the 2% homosexual   
   category, using 2% is too high for the number of homosexual men.   
   On the under-reporting of sexual abuse by boys, the Dailey   
   article states:   
      
   Dr. Robert Johnson, in Medical Aspects of Human Sexuality,   
   reports: "The vast majority of cases of male sexual molestation   
   is not reported. As a result, these young men keep both the   
   incidents and their feelings to themselves."   
      
   The Department of Justice report on child sexual exploitation   
   explains why the percentage of boy victims is underestimated:   
   "Adolescent boy victims are highly likely to deny certain types   
   of sexual activity. . . . They are embarrassed and ashamed of   
   their behavior and rightfully believe that society will not   
   understand their victimization. ... No matter what the   
   investigator does, most adolescent boys will deny they were   
   victims."   
      
   And certainly if the boy does not report the molestation, the   
   molester is not going to. Therefore, a very large number of the   
   homosexual molestations never come to light.   
      
   On a Marshall, et al, study referred to by Dailey, Herek tries   
   to detract from its relevance by making such statements as:   
      
   The offenders were not asked their sexual orientation (gay,   
   straight, bisexual) and the paper does not report any   
   information about the nature of the offenders' adult sexual   
   relationships, or even if they had any such relationships.   
      
   First, the study clearly showed that it was of men who molested   
   boys. This in itself shows that they were homosexual pedophiles.   
   Herek tries to get away form this by his special definitions.   
   The study even went further and showed that the molesters were   
   also "attracted to men of all ages." Herek still tries to argue   
   that even this has no bearing on whether or not they were   
   homosexuals. It certainly can get ridiculous when you abandon   
   common sense. Herek completely ignores another Marshall study   
   referred to by Dailey, where 30% of the male sex offenders   
   admitted to sex with adult males, as well as with the boys they   
   molested.   
      
   Herek criticizes a study of Bickley & Beech referred to by   
   Dailey. The thrust of the criticism seems to be that there were   
   other studies that were somewhat different, and that the studies   
   had little meaning because they focused only on the sex of the   
   victim, without determining the sex of the offender. However, it   
   has been well established that the vast majority of child   
   molesters are male, so male molestation of boys would be   
   homosexual. However, the tests do concentrate on recidivism, and   
   have no great bearing on the percentages of homosexuals that are   
   sex offenders. On this part I would agree with Herek. But the   
   information does go to show more of the excesses of homosexuals.   
      
   Dailey referred to some writings of the homosexuals, Jay and   
   Young. The only thing Herek came up with on this was:   
      
   This book, published nearly 30 years ago by a team of writer-   
   activists, is not a scientific study. The authors' survey   
   methodology is not reported in detail and, because it was a   
   journalistic work, the survey was never subjected to scientific   
   peer review.   
      
   Herek makes no attempt to refute this significant statement:   
      
   In The Gay Report, by homosexual researchers Karla Jay and Allen   
   Young, the authors report data showing that 73 percent of   
   homosexuals surveyed had at some time had sex with boys sixteen   
   to nineteen years of age or younger.   
      
   Significantly, the other statements in Herek's paper indicate   
   that he would not consider the above as child molesting, anyway,   
   because the boys were past puberty. The fact that they may be   
   below the age of consent apparently makes no difference to such   
   people as Herek.   
      
   Dailey referred to a study by W. D. Erickson, stating:   
      
   A study of 229 convicted child molesters in Archives of Sexual   
   Behavior found that "eighty-six percent of offenders against   
   males described themselves as homosexual or bisexual."   
      
   All that Herek could come up with on this was:   
      
   However, no details are provided about how this information was   
   ascertained, making it difficult to interpret. Nor did the   
   authors report the number of homosexual versus bisexual   
   offenders, a distinction that the Groth and Birnbaum study   
   (described above) indicates is relevant.   
      
   Herek would have us believe that male on male molestation is not   
   homosexual molestation, merely because some molesters described   
   themselves as bisexual instead of homosexual. This is false and   
   is just further confusion that Herek would like to introduce.   
      
   The following in the Dailey article was ignored by Herek for   
   obvious reasons:   
      
   Fr. John Harvey, founder and director of Courage, a support   
   ministry for Catholics who struggle with same-sex attraction,   
   explains that "the pedophile differs from the ordinary   
   homosexual in that the former admires boyishness in the object   
   of his affections, while the latter admires manliness." However,   
   the categories are not completely separate:   
      
   While granting that the majority of homosexuals are not aroused   
   by young boys, the distinction between homosexuality and   
   homosexual pedophilia is not quite absolute. In some cases the   
   interest oscillates between young adolescents and adults, in   
   others between boys and adolescents; in exceptional cases a man   
   may be interested in boys at one time and adults at another.   
      
      
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