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   From: noway@nowhere.com   
      
   On 9/1/2018 1:09 PM, Peter Franks wrote:   
      
   {snip}   
      
   > A couple of points that need clarifying:   
   >   - Government does not have authority over individuals, it has been   
   > delegated authority /from/ individuals.   
   >   - That authority is to exercise, in a general sense and purpose, the   
   > powers and authority of the individual.   
   >   
   > Regarding obligations:   
   >   - The obligations of the individual are few and defined, and that is   
   > to support and sustain the execution of the authority that has been   
   > legally and justly delegated.  No more, no less.   
   >   
   > An example: the authority to protect the sovereignty of the nation has   
   > been delegated to government.  Therefore, _every_ individual is equally   
   > obligated to support and sustain that protection.  It is up to the   
   > people of that society to define that equal obligation (e.g. it could be   
   > that all serve in the armed forces for some period of time, and/or   
   > individuals are obligated to financially support the maintenance and   
   > execution of the armed forces (i.e. taxes), or ....).  If an individual   
   > refuses their obligation, they are subject to punishment or removal from   
   > society.   
      
   That's one example.  Since they are few and defined, what is the   
   exhaustive list of obligations?   
      
   > Now can we agree that no individual has authority over another?   
      
   We have always agreed on that.  Where we disagree is the scope of   
   government's delegated authority over individuals.   
      
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