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   From: none@none.com   
      
   On 9/1/2018 4:01 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   > On 9/1/2018 1:09 PM, Peter Franks wrote:   
   >   
   > {snip}   
   >   
   >> A couple of points that need clarifying:   
   >>   - Government does not have authority over individuals, it has been   
   >> delegated authority /from/ individuals.   
   >>   - That authority is to exercise, in a general sense and purpose, the   
   >> powers and authority of the individual.   
   >>   
   >> Regarding obligations:   
   >>   - The obligations of the individual are few and defined, and that is   
   >> to support and sustain the execution of the authority that has been   
   >> legally and justly delegated.  No more, no less.   
   >>   
   >> An example: the authority to protect the sovereignty of the nation has   
   >> been delegated to government.  Therefore, _every_ individual is   
   >> equally obligated to support and sustain that protection.  It is up to   
   >> the people of that society to define that equal obligation (e.g. it   
   >> could be that all serve in the armed forces for some period of time,   
   >> and/or individuals are obligated to financially support the   
   >> maintenance and execution of the armed forces (i.e. taxes), or ....).   
   >> If an individual refuses their obligation, they are subject to   
   >> punishment or removal from society.   
   >   
   > That's one example.  Since they are few and defined, what is the   
   > exhaustive list of obligations?   
      
   For us, US Constitution.   
      
   >> Now can we agree that no individual has authority over another?   
   >   
   > We have always agreed on that.  Where we disagree is the scope of   
   > government's delegated authority over individuals.   
      
   If an individual doesn't have authority over another, how can authority   
   over another be delegated to government?  It can't, ergo government has   
   no authority over individuals.   
      
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